GDT: Running Out of Ideas: Devils @ Sabres, 7 PM, MSG+

[Balance]

I just don't understand how some people think goaltending doesn't matter. Or that goaltenders are around the same "skill level" and a good team with average goaltending will suffice.

Not every team has the talent of the Penguins or Capitals. You need good goaltending to make the playoffs (beyond the fact that both teams lost numerous playoff series because of either bad goaltending or good goaltending robbing them)

 

[Devils Dominion]

you mean Seney picking a fight with 6'3" Bogosian?

No, I don't.

Are you watching the game?

 

[haak84]

You put way too many pennies into SRS and talk about strength of schedule way too much.

thanks for the tip. but its that and the eye test. i already stated hasek was a legend. i stated the sabres werent that good. fine dont use srs. go by wins/losses go by GF/GA. the sabres werent great at all, they were hardly good but they werent this version of the devils bad!

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

No, I don't.

Are you watching the game?

Um.. yes, I am. Noesen fought Rodriguez and Seney went to facewash Bogosian who subsequently sat on him

How are you going to tell me when you asked who it was lol

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

If you only saw the first, you're in for a huge surprise.....

But the good news is, if you have watched other Devils games this season, you can probably guess very accurately what happened.... (without even reading the backlog)....

yea I can take a good guess

 

[Devils Dominion]

Um.. yes, I am. Noesen fought Rodriguez and Seney went to facewash Bogosian who subsequently sat on him

How are you going to tell me when you asked who it was lol

You're wrong

I just re watched it

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

You're wrong

I just re watched it

who was it, Scandella?

 

[haak84]

I just don't understand how some people think goaltending doesn't matter. Or that goaltenders are around the same "skill level" and a good team with average goaltending will suffice.

Not every team has the talent of the Penguins or Capitals. You need good goaltending to make the playoffs (beyond the fact that both teams lost numerous playoff series because of either bad goaltending or good goaltending robbing them)

its not that it doesnt matter but look at the goalies around the league in free agency this year. look how volatile the 15-30th goalies are every year. its really hard to nail a great goalie and have him play consistently well for years.

 

[Davegarri]

I just don't understand how some people think goaltending doesn't matter. Or that goaltenders are around the same "skill level" and a good team with average goaltending will suffice.

Not every team has the talent of the Penguins or Capitals. You need good goaltending to make the playoffs (beyond the fact that both teams lost numerous playoff series because of either bad goaltending or good goaltending robbing them)

Its definitely vitally important, and it's abundantly clear we are very bad in that department, but I refuse to sit here and say that we are a contender with a great goalie. We still dont have average defenders and aside from our 1st line and guys like Bratt and Coleman our forwards are below average also

 

[Cult of Hynes]

This team really is pathetic. And IDC what anyone says. The coaching staff is absolutely a problem.

 

[Balance]

I'm posting a lot but here's another pointer

Kinkaid looks really unprofessional when he moves. It's like he's a college level goalie. He doesn't have that "professional" flow to his game. He has great athleticism, but IMO teams are studying him and punishing his amateur looking style. I think he was good initially because he was an awkward goalie but coaches seem to have solved his style and are teaching the players where to shoot the puck against him.

 

[NinjaKick]

it'd be nice to see Hynes get angry
if Kathy Bates was coaching she wouldn't take any of this shit, we saw what she did when James Caan ****ed up her novel

 

[NjDevsRR]

This team really is pathetic. And IDC what anyone says. The coaching staff is absolutely a problem.

Say it 18 more times

 

[Devils Dominion]

This team really is pathetic. And IDC what anyone says. The coaching staff is absolutely a problem.

They are part of the problem, but other factors are as well

 

[haak84]

I'm posting a lot but here's another pointer

Kinkaid looks really unprofessional when he moves. It's like he's a college level goalie. He doesn't have that "professional" flow to his game. He has great athleticism, but IMO teams are studying him and punishing his amateur looking style. I think he was good initially because he was an awkward goalie but coaches seem to have solved his style and are teaching the players where to shoot the puck against him.

would love to hear your scouting report on schneider this year.

 

[Bleedred]

you said 93-97! you were wrong just be like OK you know what 93-94 they were actually really good.

I said in some of those years and put it between those years.

The 93-94 team was probably their best though and they only had a -90 (I think? I looked at it 10 minutes ago) shot on goal differential, while the other teams were in the hundreds. So you're right, the 93-94 team wasn't that bad. I retract that.

The 94-95 team was a -180 in shot on goal differential. Remember that was a 48 game season. Probably would have been a -300-something in an 82 game campaign.

95-96 team was a -571

96-97 team was a GHASTLY -632

97-98 team was a -385

98-99 team was a -307

99-00 team was a +27

00-01 team (last year of Hasek in Buffalo) was a +12

So you're right, the 93-94 team wasn't bad. I would say the 94-99 teams weren't very good and a couple of were terrible, especially the 95-96 (non-playoff year) and 96-97 teams.

You know those teams that make the playoffs every year that do it for one year and the analytics crowd yells ''UNSUSTAINABLE!'' and they usually miss the next year? That was the Sabres pretty much every year in the last half of the 90's. And they only missed the playoffs once in that time.

 

[Balance]

Its definitely vitally important, and it's abundantly clear we are very bad in that department, but I refuse to sit here and say that we are a contender with a great goalie. We still dont have average defenders and aside from our 1st line and guys like Bratt and Coleman our forwards are below average also

We do have very bad defenders. It's a big weakness.

I think we have a very underrated offense though. Palmieri scores goals at a 1st line rate, Hall is a superstar, Hischier is a borderline star. Then you got Bratt who plays so well, Coleman is a workhorse, Boyle is just a pure finisher and a smart player, Zajac and Zacha's 2 way game. I'm not worried about the offense besides a few kinks, goaltending and defense is so much of a bigger issue.

 

[NJDevs26]

I'll be honest though the amount of years Marty bailed us out we kinda deserve the karma of having bad goaltending

Tell that to the Packers who followed Favre with Rodgers and the Colts who followed Manning with Luck.

 

[Devils Dominion]

I'm thinking bottom 3 once we deal away some depth

 

[NJDevs26]

If you only saw the first, you're in for a huge surprise.....

But the good news is, if you have watched other Devils games this season, you can probably guess very accurately what happened.... (without even reading the backlog)....

You can say that again. I literally had not checked the score after the first till now.

What happened to Buffalo's popgun offense without Eichel and Skinner that was never going to score? Oh right Kinkaid and our glorious D.

 

[MauDevils]

Goaltending sure...but one goal doesn't win you many hockey games.

 

[njdevils1982]

oh f*** off ……get this clown off my screen

shut up dano……hes a baffoon

 

[haak84]

I said in some of those years and put it between those years.

The 93-94 team was probably their best though and they only had a -90 (I think? I looked at it 10 minutes ago) shot on goal differential, while the other teams were in the hundreds. So you're right, the 93-94 team wasn't that bad. I retract that.

The 94-95 team was a -180 in shot on goal differential. Remember that was a 48 game season. Probably would have been a -300-something in an 82 game campaign.

95-96 team was a -571

96-97 team was a GHASTLY -632

97-98 team was a -385

98-99 team was a -307

99-00 team was a +27

00-01 team (last year of Hasek in Buffalo) was a +12

So you're right, the 93-94 team wasn't bad. I would say the 94-99 teams weren't very good and a couple of were terrible, especially the 95-96 (non-playoff year) and 96-97 teams.

You know those teams that make the playoffs every year that do it for one year and the analytics crowd yells ''UNSUSTAINABLE!'' and they usually miss the next year? That was the Sabres pretty much every year in the last half of the 90's. And they only missed the playoffs once in that time.

yo people are on me for SRS but the gold standard is shot differential? you said 93-97 and you were wrong, the sabres were only this version of the devils bad for one year and they didnt make the playoffs

 

[MauDevils]

I'm thinking bottom 3 once we deal away some depth

Wait...I thought rebuilding teams bought rentals?

 

[Bleedred]

Tell that to the Packers who followed Favre with Rodgers and the Colts who followed Manning with Luck.

Yup.

The Devils don't need a Marty-like legend to be good right now, but they need someone who isn't gonna allow 41 softies, which Kinkaid and Cory have combined for already this year.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Likely the tilt Cangy?