I wouldn't take Richards. He's a different situation than the other two though. Ward was still a serviceable goalie, something the Flames didn't have. We had Ramo, and this was before the Hiller signing. Ribiero was also an offensively gifted top 6 player, who could have easily been a 60+ point guy.
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I wouldn't take Richards. He's a different situation than the other two though. Ward was still a serviceable goalie, something the Flames didn't have. We had Ramo, and this was before the Hiller signing. Ribiero was also an offensively gifted top 6 player, who could have easily been a 60+ point guy.
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Or they have 3 other RW'ers( Toffoli,Williams and Lewis) that are better than him..
Oh I don't disagree that Toffoli or Williams is better, but Lewis is a stretch. Plus they are losing Williams in all likelyhood.
Its more that I would rather have Brown than Richards.
No, after the 2017/2018 season, Richard would have a cap hit of $4.217M for 2 seasons, and then about $1.467 for 5 more seasons.
It would be crazy for the Flames to take on that much money and cap hit unless the return was massive.
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He would only have two years left on his deal after 2017/18, so the cap implimications would be for four years total. Not sure how you arrived at those dollar values, but they're about $500k higher than what I calculated.
Oh, I see, buying him out after paying him for 3 seasons.
I thought you meant buying him out now, and was looking at his 10 years buyout numbers.
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I think it would be 1.0x4 as after 17/18 he will be owed 3.0 in each season.
so 2/3 of 3.00 is 2.00, spread over twice the time is 1.00x2 for 18/19 and 1.00x2 and 19/20
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All I know is this:
When a player is bought out, the team still takes a cap hit for the player over a period of twice the remaining length of the contract. The amount of the cap hit (by year) is determined as follows:
1. Take the actual salary due for each remaining year
2. Take the Averaged Player Salary (cap hit) for the current contract
3. Calculate the buyout amount (as described above)
4. Spread the buy-out amount evenly over twice the remaining years of the contract
5. Take the number in No. 1 and subtract the number in No. 4. This is the “buyout savings.”
6. Take the cap hit from No. 2 and subtract the buyout savings from No. 5.
I would be so much better off if that was written as a mathematicamal formula.
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so we have.
1. 3,000,000 and 3,000,000
2. 4,500,000
3. 4,000,00
4. 1,000,000 x 4
5. 3,000,000-1,000,000 and 3,000,000-1,000,000 and 0-1,000,000 and 0-1,000,000
6. 4,500,000-2,000,000 and 4,500,000-2,000,000
so I think that would be 2.5x2 and 1.0x2 then?
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i had his cap hit wrong
however saw this linked on the main trade board
hockeys cap has a buyout calculator! https://www.hockeyscap.com/buyout_calculator/
using the calculator though it would be 3.75x2 and 1.00x2 which makes sense since his cap hit is 1.25 million higher than I thought it was.
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I think it's fair since we eat so much contract.Us take that and run. Unless the Canucks want Raymond back.
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If Richards can at least be a 4th line center I'd do that no problem. Although it would mean moving Stajan.
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Backlund, Stajan & Jones will be hurt at some point, so we have room for both Stajan & Richards. Stajan moves up when Backlund is hurt. Richards plays with Stajan is hurt and Richards plays RW when Jones is hurt.
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Burke spoke on trades like this on the fan, they seem to work fine for both teams and seem to make sense but they never end up happening. NHL GMs are always looking for ways to shed cap without giving up good picks. We haven't seen a trade like this happen for a reason.
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I think LA would rather give a draft pick than Toffoli though. We asked for Toffoli.
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With Giordano, Russell, Monahan, and Gaudreau likely getting massive raises pretty soon, and Bennett after that, I don't think the Flames will be looking to take cap dumps with long term contracts any more. At most, players with one year contracts.
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He also said that the compliance buyouts were likely the main reason it hasn't happened. It was a "get out of jail free card" as he put it. Most teams would rather just eat the contract rather than trade a 1st. Well compliance buyouts are over now, so it's more realistic.
I don't think Gio's raise will be that huge. We all love Gio, but from a business stand point, he'll be 33 years old when this contract kicks in. We've all seen older stars handed long term, big money contracts that end up handcuffing franchises. It's no secret that Gio wants to win and loves Calgary. I personal see him opting for the lower cap hit, retirement contract with a nice NMC. Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett and Brodie are the future. They'll all be big money players and signing any vet to a long term, big money contract that could potentially jeoprodize signing one of those guys, is not an option. Anything more than $30 million over 5 years(6/7/7/5/5), and we really have to consider our options.
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Athletes, and this is always heavily influenced by the union, will almost always seek a fair value, rather than just giving their team a break. That is in no small part due to the fact that their salary affects not just them, but their families too. You look at guys like Glencross and see why. He took a deal with the expectation that when it came time to be paid on his next contract, he'e make up the difference. But we're there now, and he's lost a step and will be fighting for a job next season rather than getting that fat raise. His willingness to play ball with the Flames has cost his family millions of dollars.
I think Gio can and will get an AAV of 7+.
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