TSN: Rumours of Kadri and Gardiner as trade bait won't go away.

[Paradoc]

In this world in which we are living. Every second of every day, except when Phaneuf is driving his wife's Bentley.

I'm sorry but 15 games of worth does not justify that Gardiner > Phaneuf. The only people that believe in that are those who hate Phaneuf and want a scapegoat.

 

[ULF_55]

IMO

Just speculation, I can see any combination of 1 or all of Dion, Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner, Reimer moved this summer.

We will see, But I don't think Kessel is going anywhere this summer. His big ticket will make him hard to move, unless he wants to move.

Sportsnet 960 The Fan was talking about Phaneuf's contract and they were suggesting Subban is worth 8.5+ because of it.

I still think a desperate team like the Oilers might have some interest even though 960 suggests he's almost unmovable now.

 

[Stephen]

I see some comparables between where JVR was in his development, and where Kadri is now.

- Both had consistency issues
- However both had shown they can take over a game

I just think if we trade Kadri, we will be on the wrong side of the deal

I think they have to be careful with what they target. If it's a Ryan Johansen, of course go for it. If it's a Ryan Kesler, that's likely going to be diminishing returns.

 

[Lauro]

Wouldn't trade Kadri, I think this season teached him some things and he will be better next season.

Gardiner could be an option with Percy, Granberg and Finn in the pipeline. But only in a deal in the mold of Luke Schenn for James van Riemsdyk.

We need to change some things and Franson or Lupul won't get you that much.

 

[diceman934]

does trading Kadri for prospects or picks go against what Nonis believes in?

Why would we trade Kadri for anything but an over payment? Trading him for prospects hoping that they turn out to be exactly what Kadri is now is nuts!

Players like Kadri are not easy to obtain.

 

[Warden of the North]

Completely fine with trading eithe rof them if the return is other young assets with similar upside, or one asset in that age range with more upside.

I would also be fine with packaging them together and our 1st for 1st overall and maybe a third round pick or something

 

[ForSpareParts*]

Why would we trade Kadri for anything but an over payment? Trading him for prospects hoping that they turn out to be exactly what Kadri is now is nuts!

Players like Kadri are not easy to obtain.

What Kadri is now not that great.

 

[diceman934]

We will regret trading Kadri.

I'd be very hesitant unless its a deal that knocks our socks off

Agree 100%

 

[TankNationTillDeath]

I'm sorry but 15 games of worth does not justify that Gardiner > Phaneuf. The only people that believe in that are those who hate Phaneuf and want a scapegoat.

I'm on the fence with Phaneuf. Firstly, he and Jake are equal in leadership skills, both have zero. In fact, Schenn pointed out the reason he wanted out was because of Phaneuf. Phaneuf is kind of like the one ********* everyone works with, but can't say anything to because he is their boss.

He was hurled out of Calgary, hell, he even had problems with most players on team Canada in the juniors.

Now, he is about to be hurled out of Toronto, if it were not for Nonis, who intends to keep in here until Nonis gets fired inevitably and Phaneuf's contract comes up in 2021.

Gardiner is a much better skater with higher escapability. Phaneuf's shot is wild, ask Lupul. But, if he manages to hit the net he is a good PP specialist.

Gardiner has less experience, and plays worse competition, however, when our season was on the line, who was stepping up to the plate? Phaneuf never stood up for teammates and is called a pylon for a reason.

Bottom line, we are stuck with Phaneuf, but, if his ES mins can drop as well, to maybe 19 mins per night, and become more of a PP specialist, then I'm fine with him on our team... although I'll never be fine with him as our captain.

 

[Paradoc]

Completely fine with trading eithe rof them if the return is other young assets with similar upside, or one asset in that price range with more upside.

Yes please. People here should relax, it's not like we are trading grade A prospect.

Gardiner has the potential to be a very good 2nd pairing dman and Kadri can be a good 60-70 point centerman.

I wouldn't miss them if we got an equal value in return if not better.

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

JVR had his best season and is 1.5 years older than Kadri. So many people are patient with him. Why aren't people as patient with Kadri, who has a better PPG?

I know JVR is a better two way player but still. Kadri isn't bad defensively.

I really think Kadri can be that 60-70+ centreman consistently. His faceoffs are continuously improving too, which was his #1 weakness this season.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Sportsnet 960 The Fan was talking about Phaneuf's contract and they were suggesting Subban is worth 8.5+ because of it.

I still think a desperate team like the Oilers might have some interest even though 960 suggests he's almost unmovable now.

If we really wanted to make meaningful change to this organization, we should take a step back, so we could take a big step forward.

Short term pain for long term gain. Unfortunately only a few of us can see this here.

Kadri is a 50 point, -11 Center. Gardiner is a 30 point offensive defencman both 24 this year, not exactly an age of a raw prospect. I don't know how much longer these 2 players can milk the 'potential' tag. Where younger true 'A' prospects play big roles with other teams we are trying to catch next year. Ie. Johansen and Trouba just 2 of many younger A prospects off the top of my head.

If Nonis is truly going to make a move this year to change the culture of this team.

He will make a true effort to get Florida's pick, and maybe even Edmonton's. Then maybe we will finally have true 'A" prospects we can be patient with to add to Rielly. Instead of flawed ones that are better suited for stats poolies tournaments.

 

[ULF_55]

Completely fine with trading eithe rof them if the return is other young assets with similar upside, or one asset in that age range with more upside.

I would also be fine with packaging them together and our 1st for 1st overall and maybe a third round pick or something

Kadri will be 24 in October.

He's developing just nicely, but it should be clear to everyone he isn't in a Duchene, or Kopitar, or Seguin, or McKinnon category. Heck, Ryan O'Reilly is younger.

He like every other Leafs' player not named Kessel, Rielly, Bernier are expendable.

It IS about the return.

 

[ForSpareParts*]

I think they have to be careful with what they target. If it's a Ryan Johansen, of course go for it. If it's a Ryan Kesler, that's likely going to be diminishing returns.

Would you do Gardiner and Kadri for Ryan Johansen?

 

[Dangles McGavin]

Completely fine with trading eithe rof them if the return is other young assets with similar upside, or one asset in that age range with more upside.

I would also be fine with packaging them together and our 1st for 1st overall and maybe a third round pick or something

Gards + Kadri + 8th overall would be an enormous overpayment.

I would do Kadri + 8th with a small + but not Gardiner. He is our best defenseman.

 

[Swarez]

Shopping Bozak should be priority, Kadri takes over his role than find a decent two way center to be your number two.

That way you know what you have in him.

 

[jmart21]

Kadri will be 24 in October.

He's developing just nicely, but it should be clear to everyone he isn't in a Duchene, or Kopitar, or Seguin, or McKinnon category. Heck, Ryan O'Reilly is younger.

He like every other Leafs' player not named Kessel, Rielly, Bernier are expendable.

It IS about the return.

exactly

same goes for gardiner.

There were always murmurs in the past about a Gardiner for Couturier swap. Combine this with something like Kadri for Larsson, and your team just got younger and better.

 

[Purity*]

We need more guys like David Clarkson and Dave Bolland, character guys who play with heart and grit.



Remember when we heard that last off-season?




We're going to be trading Gardiner/Kadri for some Carlyle-type veterans, BUT IT'S OK, they're going to be character vets who play with heart and grit!

exactly

same goes for gardiner.

There were always murmurs in the past about a Gardiner for Couturier swap. Combine this with something like Kadri for Larsson, and your team just got younger and better.

How in the **** do you figure that? The grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side, right?

 

[Swervin81]

Would you do Gardiner and Kadri for Ryan Johansen?

A 30 goal #1C who plays a great defensive game, works hard, and is still really young and is nowhere near his prime yet, with lots of effective years in him? Hell yes.

 

[jmart21]

We need more guys like David Clarkson and Dave Bolland, character guys who play with heart and grit.



Remember when we heard that last off-season?




We're going to be trading Gardiner/Kadri for some Carlyle-type veterans, BUT IT'S OK, they're going to be character vets who play with heart and grit!

NO WE AREN'T

People need to stop over-reacting to trades that haven't happened, and won't happen.

 

[ConnorTO]

Nonis won't be dumb enough to move our young players for vets. He stated this many times.

yeah i no... he is a believer in youth

 

[TankNationTillDeath]

A 30 goal #1C who plays a great defensive game, works hard, and is still really young and is nowhere near his prime yet, with lots of effective years in him? Hell yes.

Unfortunately Columbus is not that stupid.. Kadri would be a large downgrade at centre.. A deal I could see and want is Kessel for Johansen + 1st... Or, Bozak + Gardiner + 3rd for Johansen, only because I think other teams think Bozak is better than he is.

 

[Swarez]

A 30 goal #1C who plays a great defensive game, works hard, and is still really young and is nowhere near his prime yet, with lots of effective years in him? Hell yes.

He is cheap, young, good and on a team that just finished higher than us in standings, he won't be traded.

 

[Bluelines]

Sportsnet 960 The Fan was talking about Phaneuf's contract and they were suggesting Subban is worth 8.5+ because of it.

I still think a desperate team like the Oilers might have some interest even though 960 suggests he's almost unmovable now.

So a guy who gets 2nd pairing defence and only dominates weak opposition and the Power Play and cant play defence if his life depended on it is worth 8.5 million? Good to know... can't wait to see what happens when PK actually starts to play against top lines and is used on the PK...

That is PK ranked 83rd ... http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67#snip=f

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Kadri will be 24 in October.

He's developing just nicely, but it should be clear to everyone he isn't in a Duchene, or Kopitar, or Seguin, or McKinnon category. Heck, Ryan O'Reilly is younger.

He like every other Leafs' player not named Kessel, Rielly, Bernier are expendable.

It IS about the return.

Fact is, if we charted Kadri's progress from when he was drafted to 2014.

It would be close to a flat line with only a slight up climb.

Kadri's progress:

What I would like to see in a player drafted 7th overall almost 5 years ago is improvement like this: