Rumor: Rumours and proposals we are looking for a 3C?

[McNuge]

Some idiot brought up Hall, not me. I can't help but debate on a forum designed for debating though. If you don't like reading about the major trade that shaped our team for worse, then don't go on discussion threads.

For worse? We were the worst team in the league for yearsssssss. 2015 was the first real test for Hallsy, and guess what, big ol fail. "oh but McDavid was hurt, Klefbom was hurt" yeah and Hall had a STUD (essentially)rookie in Leon as his center for a large portion of the year. McDavid to carry a big load for half the year. The golden boys still on the team. But guess what, we still f***in sucked massive dick. Our D was awful, even with Klefbom it was AHL caliber. So what do you think the market would have been like for Ebs or Nuge? Because if Hall is returning one of Larsson, Ceci or Hamonic it is pretty safe to say we got the best of the 3.

 

[Soundwave]

L O L

I'm convinced you're a troll now. Good on you for never breaking character.

It's like trying to argue science with a religious zealot, they don't care what proof you bring to the table, it's imaginary space daddy that did it all.

 

[space321]

For worse? We were the worst team in the league for yearsssssss. 2015 was the first real test for Hallsy, and guess what, big ol fail. "oh but McDavid was hurt, Klefbom was hurt" yeah and Hall had a STUD (essentially)rookie in Leon as his center for a large portion of the year. McDavid to carry a big load for half the year. The golden boys still on the team. But guess what, we still ****in sucked massive dick. Our D was awful, even with Klefbom it was AHL caliber. So what do you think the market would have been like for Ebs or Nuge? Because if Hall is returning one of Larsson, Ceci or Hamonic it is pretty safe to say we got the best of the 3.

Holy f***, Chiarelli is that you?

Does the concept of not trading away an asset until the right price comes along occur to you?

 

[McOilers97]

NJ is smart? they're terrible this year and 2 years ago when Hall arrived and scored 53 points

they...like the Oilers...are finding out last year was an anomaly

Ray Shero doesn't make rash, knee-jerk decisions like Peter Chiarelli does. NJ is struggling this year because they didn't add anything to their roster this summer - because anyone they were interested in either signed elsewhere or wasn't worth paying the $ that they were asking for. They're being patient with their rebuild. I mean, they drafted 1st overall just a year and a half ago, so why would they be in a rush and risk doing something stupid (ala signing a Milan Lucic type of player)?

 

[McNuge]

Holy ****, Chiarelli is that you?

Does the concept of not trading away an asset until the right price comes along occur to you?

Right, because their value was only going up right?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

For worse? We were the worst team in the league for yearsssssss. 2015 was the first real test for Hallsy, and guess what, big ol fail. "oh but McDavid was hurt, Klefbom was hurt" yeah and Hall had a STUD (essentially)rookie in Leon as his center for a large portion of the year. McDavid to carry a big load for half the year. The golden boys still on the team. But guess what, we still ****in sucked massive dick. Our D was awful, even with Klefbom it was AHL caliber. So what do you think the market would have been like for Ebs or Nuge? Because if Hall is returning one of Larsson, Ceci or Hamonic it is pretty safe to say we got the best of the 3.

And we are still awful with a woeful defense and now we can’t score.

 

[StevenF1919]

For worse? We were the worst team in the league for yearsssssss. 2015 was the first real test for Hallsy, and guess what, big ol fail. "oh but McDavid was hurt, Klefbom was hurt" yeah and Hall had a STUD (essentially)rookie in Leon as his center for a large portion of the year. McDavid to carry a big load for half the year. The golden boys still on the team. But guess what, we still ****in sucked massive dick. Our D was awful, even with Klefbom it was AHL caliber. So what do you think the market would have been like for Ebs or Nuge? Because if Hall is returning one of Larsson, Ceci or Hamonic it is pretty safe to say we got the best of the 3.

Everything you said about Hall could equally be applied to McDavid.

 

[space321]

Right, because their value was only going up right?

Was Hall's value tanking?

Do you know the Matt Duchene trade? Do you think Duchene's value was increasing during his atrocious 16-17 season (which btw was way worse than Hall' 15-16 season)? Guess what Sakic (or any competent GM) did? Go ahead, guess.

 

[Soundwave]

Fun fact: The Oilers 3.3 goals against this season is trending to be worse than any of the Hall seasons except for the one year where Eakins totally imploded and they won the McDavid lottery.

Thanks Larsson.

#whenyoutradedafortuneforDandyourDstillsucks

 

[McOilers97]

when did I say both couldn't co-exist?

I'm laughing at these people who miss the days of "run and gun" hockey...like the Oilers from 2010-2016 were some sort of offensive juggernaught

they were terrible in all areas

They were terrible because they had Foster, Vandermeer, Smid, Peckham, Schultz, Potter, Barker, Ference, Belov playing for the team on D... The only players worth a god damn thing on those rosters on defense were Petry (who for whatever reason, the organization decided they didn't like), Whitney (pre-injury), and Schultz (if he would've been utilized properly in a sheltered role).

The forward groups were thin as well - just as thin as today honestly, other than having Connor McDavid now.

But the talent was being assembled at least.

They sucked, but there were several valuable assets. Now they suck and there are 2 valuable assets.

Selling talented players for pennies on the dollar has crippled this franchise.

 

[McFlash97]

He would be the 3rd best behind Draisaitl IMO. Hall is stubborn. He would not want to be in the shadow of McDavid and Draisaitl. How is that not hard to believe?

You put Hall with RNH , those guys were great together , Drai a with Connor. Nobody in the NHL would be able to f*** with our top 2 lines. you trade any combination of Klefbom, Yamamoto and and multiple 1st round picks to go after a young stud or Oliver Ekman Larsson to play with Larsson , cover off Bouchard to play with Nurse

You put Talbot on the Saturn V spacerocket and ship him off to the moon.

Koskinen gets full time
go hard after a decent free agent backup

 

[North]

So there are no actual trade rumors then?

 

[StevenF1919]

#whenyoutradedafortuneforDandyourDstillsucks

who is dan

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

No Hall at least showed he could drive a line had two PPG+ seasons and now has won a Hart trophy. He's lived up to his draft pedigree.

Nugent Hopkins is the most disappointing no.1 overall in 15th years if Yakupov hadn't stole that trophy away from him.

The worst thing is he stripped all creativity out of his game, he used to be a little like Datsyuk, now you never see that version of RNH barely.

just out of top 5 picks;
Jones
Reilly
MacKinnon
Barkov
Ekblad
Draisaitl
maybe Seguin
McDavid
Eichel
Marner
Matthews
Laine
maybe Svechnikov
probably Dahlin
probably Pettersen

better than hall, (and yes better than rnh and yakupov)

 

[StevenF1919]

They were terrible because they had Foster, Vandermeer, Smid, Peckham, Schultz, Potter, Barker, Ference, Belov playing for the team on D... The only players worth a god damn thing on those rosters on defense were Petry (who for whatever reason, the organization decided they didn't like), Whitney (pre-injury), and Schultz (if he would've been utilized properly in a sheltered role).

Andy Sutton was good too tbh.

 

[McOilers97]

culture leads to CONSISTENTLY outscoring opponents.

No, having more talent leads to consistently outscoring opponents. "Culture" is only a determining factor if two teams have relatively comparable levels of talent. If the Nashville Predators had terrible team "culture", they would still f***ing thrash this version of the Edmonton Oilers.

 

[Soundwave]

No, having more talent leads to consistently outscoring opponents. "Culture" is only a determining factor if two teams have relatively comparable levels of talent. If the Nashville Predators had terrible team "culture", they would still ****ing thrash this version of the Edmonton Oilers.

McDavid to Culture ... Culture dangles ... back to McDavid ... back to Culture. Culture SCOREEEEESSS! What a shot by Culture! 2nd of the night! Top shelf! Oilers r going to da playoffzzzz! I'll tell ya Bob, Culture sure looked a little like Kurri there on Gretzky's wing didn't he? What an incredible performance.

lol.

 

[space321]

Andy Sutton was good too tbh.

Sutton's better offensively than Larsson and can still hit like a truck.

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

who is dan

I read that as Dandy

 

[McOilers97]

Andy Sutton was good too tbh.

Ya, that's fair. He was 36 years old at the time though haha.

 

[Mr Tadakichi]

No, having more talent leads to consistently outscoring opponents. "Culture" is only a determining factor if two teams have relatively comparable levels of talent. If the Nashville Predators had terrible team "culture", they would still ****ing thrash this version of the Edmonton Oilers.

Maybe he means the bacterial cultures destroying Chia's brain.

 

[McNuge]

Everything you said about Hall could equally be applied to McDavid.

Well, it really can't. Hall was here for 5 years as THE guy. It was McDavid's first year so he was another leader/driver on the team which is daunting as a rookie but McDavid is a special case because of his skill set. So now, Hall and the boys just had a top 5 player for half the year, and he himself had Drai playing like an absolute stud. Even Drai alone is a massive add. It gave them 2 very offensive lines even with McDavid out. Yet they still finished at the bottom of the league. The D needed a big add. No team in the league is giving up an actual #1D for a winger, it's not happening. Like I said earlier, Ottawa didn't want to give up Ceci for him for god sakes, or the Islanders Hamonic... That tells you something.

 

[McOilers97]

Well, it really can't. Hall was here for 5 years as THE guy. It was McDavid's first year so he was another leader/driver on the team which is daunting as a rookie but McDavid is a special case because of his skill set. So now, Hall and the boys just had a top 5 player for half the year, and he himself had Drai playing like an absolute stud. Even Drai alone is a massive add. It gave them 2 very offensive lines even with McDavid out. Yet they still finished at the bottom of the league. The D needed a big add. No team in the league is giving up an actual #1D for a winger, it's not happening. Like I said earlier, Ottawa didn't want to give up Ceci for him for god sakes, or the Islanders Hamonic... That tells you something.

Nobody said it had to be a 1 for 1 (other than Chiarelli apparently). If they were going to trade Hall, should've gone all-in and made it Hall + 2016 1st to acquire that player. We'd be FAR better off than we are now.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Too hard to follow instructions I see. I guess starting a new trade rumors thread and thread banning those that derailed this one is what I'll be doing next.