Rumor: Rumours and Proposals Thread: what next?

[ChaoticOrange]

Maybe you can start a change.org petition to get Keith thrown in jail

This is what the Blackhawks dressing room culture was like.

Keith was a sizeable part of that culture.

It's fair to wonder what his influence is actually like off of the ice. He said himself he's not a big talker, it's not that big a stretch to think that he saw this stuff and didn't intervene.

 

[K1984]

Time to cancel Duncan Keith and anyone else who happened to play for the Blackhwaks at that time I guess.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Seriously you are going to blame this on Keith now? Did he kill your puppy or something. How disrespectful can you be.

I don't care if he's a HoFer, it's not a good look no matter how you slice it.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Whole lotta leadership in that room. Sure glad we didn't willingly bring a member of that leadership core into our dressing room.

See above post because I’m sure that the guys on the team knew exactly what was going on and approved of it right. This is just getting out of hand now. His cap hit is no reason to hate a guy to the point you blame for sexual abuse grow up.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Kind of wonder if this Hyman deal actually happens at this point.

I mean he’s not a free agent yet right? There won’t be much news until free agency begins, unless there’s a sign and trade

 

[McDNicks17]

Whole lotta leadership in that room. Sure glad we didn't willingly bring a member of that leadership core into our dressing room.

Are you surprised? The dinosaurs in this league probably consider those actions leadership.

 

[K1984]

I don't care if he's a HoFer, it's not a good look no matter how you slice it.

How the f*** do you know what Keith did or did not do? How do you know what the "look" even is?

Good god people.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

See above post because I’m sure that the guys on the team knew exactly what was going on and approved of it right. This is just getting out of hand now. His cap hit is no reason to hate a guy to the point you blame for sexual abuse grow up.

I didn't say a word about his cap hit, don't put words in my mouth.

The whole situation was described as an open secret, and this kind of stuff was happening in the locker room. As one of the leaders of the locker room, it's kind of impossible to believe that he never once heard anything about it or was blissfully unaware of it. Sports teams are very tight knit groups most of the time, everyone hears everything about everyone.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

How the f*** do you know what Keith did or did not do? How do you know what the "look" even is?

Good god people.

Just going by what's being said.

 

[Canovin]

Drai is a lot better than Middleton.

Giannis is a lot better than McDavid. It evens out

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Are you surprised? The dinosaurs in this league probably consider those actions leadership.

as someone that worked in and around hockey for nearly 15 years, I'm not surprised at all. Disappointed, but unsurprised. The culture around the game is f***ing awful in some ways.

 

[Oilhawks]

This is what the Blackhawks dressing room culture was like.

Keith was a sizeable part of that culture.

It's fair to wonder what his influence is actually like off of the ice. He said himself he's not a big talker, it's not that big a stretch to think that he saw this stuff and didn't intervene.

I'm not defending what happened there, but I'm guessing you forgot about all of that shit that got exposed about the initiations in junior hockey teams? Some downright vile stuff. You may be shocked to find out that people are despicable, and when the chips go down, not many people are willing to put their necks on the line to do something about it.

Would you?

 

[K1984]

Just going by what's being said.

No you're not, there is no mention of what Duncan Keith did or did not do in any of those posts.

For all you know maybe Duncan Keith said something and got drowned out by others in the room. You have zero knowledge of the details of what went on.

You don't like the trade, so now you're trying to make it sound worse to justify your position. It's BS.

For all you know maybe Keith is a victim for Christ sakes.

 

[Oilhawks]

Is it possible to leave questioning people's character outside of a rumours and proposals thread?

 

[Cloned]

Giannis is a lot better than McDavid. It evens out

Disagree.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

This is what the Blackhawks dressing room culture was like.

Keith was a sizeable part of that culture.

It's fair to wonder what his influence is actually like off of the ice. He said himself he's not a big talker, it's not that big a stretch to think that he saw this stuff and didn't intervene.

If we take all this to the logically conclusion. Toews needs to take some shrapnel and our media needs to grill Keith about this. Because if he's part of that problem, the team needs to get him out of the room (I am serious)

 

[joestevens29]

Just going by what's being said.

Maybe the mass exodus of players wasn't just because of cap issues. Maybe they were selective on players to get rid of.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

No you're not, there is no mention of what Duncan Keith did or did not do in any of those posts.

For all you know maybe Duncan Keith said something and got drowned out by others in the room. You have zero knowledge of the details of what went on.

You don't like the trade, so now you're trying to make it sound worse to justify your position. It's BS.

For all you know maybe Keith is a victim for Christ sakes.

If he's a victim then he should come forward.

 

[McJadeddog]

Kind of wonder if this Hyman deal actually happens at this point.

Certainly looking like "nah" at this point. I'm not sure how I feel about it one way or the other. I hated the idea up until this morning, and then it started growing on me. We would likely get 3 really useful years out of Hyman, then 1 or 2 really iffy years, and the last 3-4 years would be terrible. I'm perfectly fine if it happens or if it doesn't at this point I think.

 

[K1984]

If he's a victim then he should come forward.

Oh my god.

 

[McDoused]

Is it possible to leave questioning people's character outside of a rumours and proposals thread?

It's the definition of liable and not tolerated in the terms and conditions of these boards.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I'm not defending what happened there, but I'm guessing you forgot about all of that shit that got exposed about the initiations in junior hockey teams? Some downright vile stuff. You may be shocked to find out that people are despicable, and when the chips go down, not many people are willing to put their necks on the line to do something about it.

Would you?

I worked in and around the game for nearly 15 years as I said above, some of them in a leadership role. I can and did have to step in a few times, yes. Unfortunately hockey is much behind the times, and 2010 might as well have been the dark ages in a lot of ways.

I didn't forget about any of the junior initiations, no... there's an awful lot of accountability to go around.

I'm just saying it's fair to wonder what role Keith had in it, as a guy that wore a letter for the team. Was he unaware of it? Did he know it was happening and not address it? Not feel like it was his place? I feel like every potential answer raises more questions.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I don't care if he's a HoFer, it's not a good look no matter how you slice it.

The 80s/90s Oilers weren't a good look internally, yet you're a fan still.

You're doing nothing more than cherry picking this incident. Pretty obvious

 

[Sanchez]

 

[Broberg Speed]

Why is all this Chicago crap here in the rumours and proposals thread?