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[McDoused]

Could grab them both in one day and do a Pronger/Peca type of presser.....

Get er done Kenny.

 

[Arpeggio]

Maybe I'm naive but I still think a Karlsson move is in the cards. I just don't think the Sharks are going to receive a better package than Ceci, Yamo, and however many picks they want for a retained Karlsson. If I'm Holland, I make that my big move to push the team over the top, and if the team doesn't get the job done, at least I can tell myself (and McDavid and Draisaitl) that I did everything I could to make this team a cup champion on paper.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Maybe I'm naive but I still think a Karlsson move is in the cards. I just don't think the Sharks are going to receive a better package than Ceci, Yamo, and however many picks they want for a retained Karlsson. If I'm Holland, I make that my big move to push the team over the top, and if the team doesn't get the job done, at least I can tell myself (and McDavid and Draisaitl) that I did everything I could to make this team a cup champion on paper.

Holland already traded a first. I really don't see him trading away 1sts until they win, and i especially don't see him trading away 1sts to shed contracts he signed.

 

[Arpeggio]

Holland already traded a first. I really don't see him trading away 1sts until they win, and i especially don't see him trading away 1sts to shed contracts he signed.

I disagree, I think he'll continue to trade firsts for the next 2-3 seasons. You simply won't be able to bring in a better player than Karlsson at the deadline at any point over the next three seasons.

 

[McJadeddog]

I wonder if we go after Kampf, Toews, Eller or Blueger and see if they are willing to take less.

Toews would be great. He is a shadow of his former self now though. He only played the 7th most ES/game mins for a forward on a really bad Chicago team this year, while still getting the 4th most forward PP mins, and only 1 min of PK time per game (2nd unit time, and maybe even 3rd unit). He isn't the same player AT ALL that he was. He can't pay 2d line C, or 3rd line C on a winning team anymore I wouldn't think. He is likely a good candidate for 12 mins a night on the 4th line though. He still took the most faceoffs on the team though, and won a ridiculous 63% of them. I think he could help an already good team win a cup if he is relatively healthy, but it would be in a GREATLY reduced role. Basically a faceoff specialist that plays 4th line mins, and on the 2nd PK unit. That is a $1 million/year player, and I highly doubt that Toews will sign such a deal, as he has a ridiculously large ego.

I disagree, I think he'll continue to trade firsts for the next 2-3 seasons. You simply won't be able to bring in a better player than Karlsson at the deadline at any point over the next three seasons.

Yeah, Holland will continue to offload 1sts, no doubt in my mind. He is all in at this point for these next two years, as he should be.

 

[CupofOil]

You're right that Nurse isn't smart enough. His strengths are athletic. He's an S-tier athlete. He's fast for his size, strong, and has good offensive tools for even strength. He's 9th among all D in EV scoring in the last 5 years. He's played maybe 15 total games with a legit top-4 defenseman in his whole career, I'm not joking.

HELP HIM and his 9.25 won't seem that rough.

Bingo.

I'll start off by saying that Nurse is obviously a flawed player, everybody knows this, but the reality is that this is a guy who has been playing some of the toughest minutes in the league ever since Klefbom went down (and even while Klef was playing) and his best D partner in all those years outside of brief spurts has been.... Barrie? Ceci? Nurse has never had a true top pairing D to partner with or even a true top 4 Dman depending on what one thinks of Barrie and Ceci so there are going to be mistakes with that pairing and sometimes many mistakes because a half of that pairing is playing a pairing or two too high in the lineup.

Nurse shouldn't be absolved of blame but he's also being tasked with some of the hardest assignments of the league because of the combination of tough minutes and weak D partner.
Unfortunately, going forward, Nurse is never going to have a high level D partner in part because of his contract outside of maybe a rental so there will always be struggles with that pairing. Despite all that, and with some of the brainless errors Nurse creates at times, he constantly outscores the opposition significantly every year and drives even strength offense at a high level because he's one of the best at controlled zone exits and entries due to his puck carrying abilities.
Ultimately though, they're probably going to have to find somebody better than Ceci to pair with him (or at least a different type of player) if they want to win a Cup.

 

[McDoused]

Maybe I'm naive but I still think a Karlsson move is in the cards. I just don't think the Sharks are going to receive a better package than Ceci, Yamo, and however many picks they want for a retained Karlsson. If I'm Holland, I make that my big move to push the team over the top, and if the team doesn't get the job done, at least I can tell myself (and McDavid and Draisaitl) that I did everything I could to make this team a cup champion on paper.

If I'm Karlsson, I don't waive my NTC unless I'm moved to a team that made the playoffs last year. That means that he is severely limited to the teams that can afford to fit him in. He might have to go to a Buffalo or Detroit if the playoff teams cant make the cap work.

	Would they trade for Karlsson?	Reason
Boston Bruins	No	Doesn’t have cap space, already have McAvoy
Carolina Hurricanes	No	Already have burns needs superstar forward
Colorado Avalanche	No	No need as they already have Makar and Toews
Dallas Stars	Maybe	Maybe but the cap would be tight
Edmonton Oilers	Maybe	Maybe but we would need to send Ceci and Foegele or Campbell back
Florida Panthers	No	Already have Ekblad and Montour
Los Angeles Kings	No	Already have Doughty
Minnesota Wild	Maybe	Maybe but I just don't see them making the cap work
New Jersey Devils	No	Already Have Hamilton
New York Islanders	No	Not a good fit, cap is a concern even with a forward going back
New York Rangers	No	Already have fox
Seattle Kraken	Maybe	Maybe they want to upgrade on Schultz
Tampa Bay Lightning	No	Doesn’t have cap space
Toronto Maple Leafs	No	Doesn’t have cap space or assets
Vegas Golden Knights	No	Already have Theodore
Winnipeg Jets	No	Already have Morriessy, Schiefele and Hellebyuck are priority

 

[McTonyBrar]

Bjugstad is a winner. The fact we're letting him go to keep guys like Ryan and Janmark is concerning. Even if he wants a bit more money, you should pay it. Guy is absolutely solid. Type of player that contributes to wins. Do Ryan and Janmark contribute to wins?

Well would you want to keep Bjugstad for 3-3.5 million?

 

[oil Leaks]

Any details for those of us with an expired subscription?

I'm interested about Toews and Karlsson. I think both would be huge gets for this off-season.

Perry and Toews as potential adds with low cap hit.

If Yamo moves, good chance Ceci stays

 

[bobbythebrain]

I disagree, I think he'll continue to trade firsts for the next 2-3 seasons. You simply won't be able to bring in a better player than Karlsson at the deadline at any point over the next three seasons.

Holland on record saying teams that win have to have players that step in internally.

He's never looked to build a team via FA or trade. I don't see him starting now.
He will depend on those picks down the road

The Karlsson dream is a pipe dream. The Oilers will look to Bouch to provide 60-70 points from the back. They moved Barrie to give Bouch more offense....why in the hell would they make a move a year later that contradicts that?

 

[McTonyBrar]

Ryan isn't really a center all the time, but his fancies were just way better than Bjugstad. Sincerely guys, Ryan was just excellent last season.


Here' some clarity on DNB's article about the offseason.




From reading the Thread, they're being cautious right now, but who knows what will open up once the offseason actually starts.

Interesting that it says we are still trying for Karlsson. I like that we are going to try for Perry/Toews

 

[McTonyBrar]

Holland already traded a first. I really don't see him trading away 1sts until they win, and i especially don't see him trading away 1sts to shed contracts he signed.

Holland is retiring soon. I think he wants to see a Cup win or at least a big Cup chance before it happens. I think he will make any move necessary. At least that's what it sounded like from Seravalli

Incoming Ceci rant:

No, Ceci was not "decent" in the playoffs. He was the worst Oiler - by a lot. Vincent Desharnais and Kailer Yamamoto had god-tier playoffs compared to the blight that was Cody Ceci.

Three Oilers played to scoring chance deficits according to Naturalstattrick. Only three. Bjugstad, Nuge and Ceci. Bjugstad played hellish zone-starts, worst on the team by far, owing to him being the only good RH faceoff option. Nuge was positive without Ceci, who boat-anchored the Oilers second line all playoffs long.

Draisaitl w/ Ceci: 50% CF, -3 scoring chances. (64 minutes)
Draisaitl w/o Ceci: 59.52% CF, +36 scoring chances. (139 minutes)

McDavid w/ Ceci: 47.92% CF, +2 scoring chances (27 minutes)
McDavid w/o Ceci: 59.23% CF, +41 scoring chances (175 minutes)

RNH w/ Ceci: 36.84% CF, -18 scoring chances (73 minutes)
RNH w/o Ceci: 55.26% CF, +10 scoring chances (86 minutes)

I'm only listing these three, but he sunk EVERYONE.

And he did it in the regular season, too. Look at Darnell Nurse when he's free of Cody Ceci versus what we deal with when they're together.

Darnell Nurse w/ Ceci: 50.10% CF, -1 scoring chances (1081 minutes)
Darnell Nurse w/o Ceci: 54.92% CF, +60 scoring chances (443 minutes)

Put it another way, McDavid and company were said to be lobbying Ken Holland for a right side puck mover in the weeks ahead of the trade deadline. Why do you think that was? For which pairing did you think they wanted help? Ekholm is a god send, but he doesn't help the Nurse pair. For the love of all that is holy, replace Cody Ceci.



There's no question that Darnell Nurse needs a puck retriever/puck mover. Someone who can skate and make a pass.

They were forced to play him with Kris Russell for years and it sucked, but at least Kris Russell would hammer that shit out even if it would come right back. Tippett tried to make a shutdown pairing out Nurse/Larsson first thing, but it failed instantly and Ethan Bear slipped right into the spot for the best results of Nurse's career to that point. Barrie, similarly, worked pretty well in the North division year.

You're right that Nurse isn't smart enough. His strengths are athletic. He's an S-tier athlete. He's fast for his size, strong, and has good offensive tools for even strength. He's 9th among all D in EV scoring in the last 5 years. He's played maybe 15 total games with a legit top-4 defenseman in his whole career, I'm not joking.

HELP HIM and his 9.25 won't seem that rough.

I couldn't have put this better. You are right. Well done!

 

[McDoused]

Holland on record saying teams that win have to have players that step in internally.

He's never looked to build a team via FA or trade. I don't see him starting now.
He will depend on those picks down the road

The Karlsson dream is a pipe dream. The Oilers will look to Bouch to provide 60-70 points from the back. They moved Barrie to give Bouch more offense....why in the hell would they make a move a year later that contradicts that?

I think by adding Karlsson you would limit the numbers Bouchard puts up while on his bridge deal, bringing down his ask. Also nothing wrong with having both guys. Karlsson had 1 less EVP than McDavid did as a defenceman. Karlsson had 74 EVP this year compared to Bouchards 26.

 

[FunkyChicken]

I think by adding Karlsson you would limit the numbers Bouchard puts up while on his bridge deal, bringing down his ask. Also nothing wrong with having both guys. Karlsson had 1 less EVP than McDavid did as a defenceman. Karlsson had 74 EVP this year compared to Bouchards 26.

Problem with adding Karlsson is that Bouchard becomes a bit redundant as he was behind Barrie. Great on PP and just above average elsewhere.
Now, if you are able to dump a bunch of crap contracts to get Karlsson, then by all means. Otherwise, look for someone more low event.

 

[longtimeoilfan]

I disagree with this premise wholly. Vegas are equally a bunch of frauds and I'd argue our lineup was better than theirs in nearly every position give or take a few.

What cost us is goaltending, top 6 wingers and horrible discipline all went to shit at the same time, we could have survived it all if our wingers didn't fall asleep but alas

Also the whole "playoff" hockey is bullshit, Oilers could have wiped the floor with any team if they played even 60% of how they played in march. Only way Oilers are going to win the cup is by playing Oilers hockey, trying to play like something they are not will only bring failure

History and the results say different ...

 

[longtimeoilfan]

I disagree with this premise wholly. Vegas are equally a bunch of frauds and I'd argue our lineup was better than theirs in nearly every position give or take a few.

What cost us is goaltending, top 6 wingers and horrible discipline all went to shit at the same time, we could have survived it all if our wingers didn't fall asleep but alas

Also the whole "playoff" hockey is bullshit, Oilers could have wiped the floor with any team if they played even 60% of how they played in march. Only way Oilers are going to win the cup is by playing Oilers hockey, trying to play like something they are not will only bring failure

And those "frauds" are playing for the cup.

 

[belair]

I'm telling you... Severson is the best route. Make room for him.

That would be an exceptionally disappointing and expensive player to hitch our wagon to.

According to twitter on Oilers Now we are likely bringing back both D. Ryan and Janmark and letting Bjugstad go.

The Ryan and Bjugstad stuff isn't new, but that's the first time I heard we intend to bring Janmark back.

Janmark was a really effective player. Had some good chemistry with Nuge, too.

 

[belair]

I think by adding Karlsson you would limit the numbers Bouchard puts up while on his bridge deal, bringing down his ask. Also nothing wrong with having both guys. Karlsson had 1 less EVP than McDavid did as a defenceman. Karlsson had 74 EVP this year compared to Bouchards 26.

Karlsson gets those points by playing a firewagon style game that results in a trade-off of offensive chances both ways. In a more structured his system, you get nowhere near the same level of offense. And if you bring in Karlsson, Bouchard's numbers take a significant hit because there are only so many PP minutes and scoring line opportunities to go around.

Karlsson's cost of acquisition cost and cap impact and would severely hinder the depth the Oilers would have both in the present and in the future. It's just a really poor strategy for a team that's not far off being one of the league's top teams.

 

[Soundwave]

Holland already traded a first. I really don't see him trading away 1sts until they win, and i especially don't see him trading away 1sts to shed contracts he signed.

I mean he better trade the 1st next year too ... team is still one dimensional. Can't hold a lead in the playoffs (unless it's like 3+ goals and even then), doesn't have a goalie that can win a game on his back.

I like offence as much as the next guy, but you're not winning a Cup only being good at scoring goals. I'm not even sure you can make the Finals doing that, Washington couldn't do it in the Boudreau era.

The current team is good enough to have a good regular season, and win a round or two, but it's not good enough to win a Cup without a few more significant upgrades. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think that's the case.

 

[Arpeggio]

Holland on record saying teams that win have to have players that step in internally.

He's never looked to build a team via FA or trade. I don't see him starting now.
He will depend on those picks down the road

The Karlsson dream is a pipe dream. The Oilers will look to Bouch to provide 60-70 points from the back. They moved Barrie to give Bouch more offense....why in the hell would they make a move a year later that contradicts that?

He's also on record saying he'll move first rounders when he believes the team is a serious contender to win, and he's on record saying this team is a serious contender to win now. I would be shocked if they drafted in the first round at any point over the next 3 seasons.

 

[Soundwave]

I would consider Karlsson, but San Jose is going to have to understand they probably have to take to back a lot of salary. If they want the moon and back, no thanks. Keep him and see how much he starts to get upset at the organization for having him waste his remaining good years stuck in a rebuild.

 

[joestevens29]

Really don't know what to make of Toews. Not sure what kind drive he has left in him at this point.

 

[Soundwave]

I wouldn't mind Toews as a UFA signing either, but again where's the cap coming from. Overpaying Nurse and Campbell really puts us in a tight spot.

 

[McJC]

If you're going for Karlsson, I think Bouchard would have to be going back. They both cannot coexist.

 

[guymez]

And those "frauds" are playing for the cup.

Calling Vegas frauds is just sour grapes IMO.
One can dislike the team (and I do dislike them) and still acknowledge that they have a quality team.

All that being said...I really hope that the Panthers win.