Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Is Our Roster Really Set Already Once McLeod Signs?

[McShogun99]

I don't trade Broberg, XB, Holloway or Schaefer for a single year of an aging Kane. No way.

Don't get me wrong, it would be great to have him, but he's essentially a rental. We are trading a career of Puljujarvi, a 1st, a 2nd and a decent prospect already... for one year... that's already a pretty stellar return.

I'm personally against trading Puljujarvi right now. I'd play him for another 40 games in Oilers silks and then trade him mid-season for a decent return... see pouting Drouin for Sergachev. I know it sounds crazy, but Puljujarvi has some game in him and if he can recreate his elite defensive/outscoring numbers for another 30 games, there will be PLENTY of suitors at fair value.

There is no need to rush. We don't need Kane for the first 30 games of the season, and Chicago doesn't need to trade him now either.

I wouldn't trade Broberg or XB but i'd trade Schaefer easily. He's essentially a 2nd round pick that might never make an impact in the NHL. I'd rather get Kane at the deadline as well since the cost should be cheaper and the cap will be easier to fit as well.

 

[bucks_oil]

If JP could have the start he had last year his value at the trade deadline would be very high. At that point I would have to consider moving him in a hockey trade simply because it would also mean he'd price himself out for next year.

Agree and I'm also reluctantly down with trading a disgruntled player, but like you say, it's got to be on our terms.

 

[Seachd]

You would. The Flames decided otherwise lol

They what?

 

[gordonhught]

They what?

Hard to say.

 

[dssource]

lots of closet flames fans in here. Pathetic lol

The team downgraded and got older. This is great news

Bolded are my thoughts exactly. Desperation moves by their GM to attempt to stay relevant. Paying top dollar to 2 guys who had career years right before contract negotiations. And the team is still worse than the one we eliminated. Highly doubt Kadri gets 30 goals or over 60pts again.

 

[belair]

As good as Bedard is, people fall in love with prospects too much. No GM is going to pick a prospect over a 115 player, 85 point player and top pairing Dman that just fell into their lap.

Also a full rebuild can stunt Bedard's development

The player that just 'fell into their lap' is going to be 30 when that contract begins. The 115 point version of that player is a mirage.

The reason it's smart to draft and develop is primarily payscale. When you're paying UFA prices for the production of a player who came from somewhere else, you're probably getting bad value throughout the term of that deal.

I'm not even going to try and address the stunting of development. That's just silly. But teams draft high-end prospects because they get seven or eight years of team control of these players when they're at the pinnacle of their value.

Rebuilds don't have to be long-term. They don't need to be complete teardowns. Gaining draft capital in one or two years where your team needs to reload after losing two offensive catalysts would've been the responsible, logical play.

 

[belair]

I never said Kadri's season wasn't an unicorn. I said Tkachuk isn't never coming close to 104 again and he isn't 2.5M better than Kadri

He's an immensely better player than Kadri offensively.

 

[bellagiobob]

Sad to hear. Some great memories from past JRMT tournies.

 

[Canovin]

The player that just 'fell into their lap' is going to be 30 when that contract begins. The 115 point version of that player is mirage.

The reason it's smart to draft and develop is primarily payscale. When you're paying UFA prices for the production of a player who came from somewhere else, you're probably getting bad value throughout the term of that deal.

I'm not even going to try and address the stunting of development. That's just silly. But teams draft high-end prospects because they get seven or eight years of team control of these players when they're at the pinnacle of their value.

Rebuilds don't have to be long-term. They don't need to be complete teardowns. Gaining draft capital in one or two years where your team needs to reload after losing two offensive catalysts would've been the responsible, logical play.

The draft and develop only works if your team can draft and develop. For a team like Calgary, they're terrible at it. I doubt the organization wants a rebuild because of many reason and one of that reason is a total rebuild is usually the last thing teams want from a financial point of view and drafting and developing are not guaranteed. Look at the Oilers, we essentially failed 2 rebuilds(Gagner era and Hall era) and still trying to figure our rebuild #3(McDavid era). Our entire rebuild has been like 15 years.

 

[K1984]

You would. The Flames decided otherwise lol

We will see if Bedard ever puts up 115 points lol

lol lol The Flames didn't have a chance to trade for Bedard lol lol lol

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I don't think Calgary needs to match Gaudreau and Tkachuk career seasons for them to be a better team overall.
The Oilers did better as a team overall with McDavid and Nurse putting less PPG than they did in the Canadian division.

Stacking the 1st line vs having a more balanced team

because they had insane health luck

their top 4 d-men missed 10 games COMBINED...with Kylington missing 9 and Hanifin missing 1 whole game all year

their top 8 scorers missed missed a grand total of 2 games COMBINED

imagine the continuity

 

[Canovin]

because they had insane health luck

their top 4 d-men missed 10 games COMBINED...with Kylington missing 9 and Hanifin missing 1 whole game all year

their top 8 scorers missed missed a grand total of 2 games COMBINED

imagine the continuity

Yes and they also stacked up the 1st line which is the point I'm getting at. I'm sure they're more balanced if Tkachuk or Gaudreau plays on the 2nd line to elevate the 2nd line.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

lol lol The Flames didn't have a chance to trade for Bedard lol lol lol

If they loaded up on 1st round picks they could have.

 

[Fourier]

I don't think Calgary needs to match Gaudreau and Tkachuk career seasons for them to be a better team overall.
The Oilers did better as a team overall with McDavid and Nurse putting less PPG than they did in the Canadian division.

Stacking the 1st line vs having a more balanced team

Someone has to score goals. They could easily be down 30+ in GF and I doubt they lower their GA. That decreases their goal differential by 30+.

Last year the regular season was a perfect storm of good luck for the Flames. They went the whole year without any significant injuries outside of Tanev. And they had insane levels of production form players who never came close to that before. Even if they are more balanced, it will be extremely hard for them to come close to last year's success.

They were completely exposed in the playoffs defensively.

 

[GOilers88]

Much as I like Patrick Kane I can’t for the life of me understand why so many people want this to happen instead of trying to shore up the defender, which seems like a far, far bigger need than another top six scorer.

 

[Jumptheshark]

with the JG contract with the flames the fact there is 61.5 in signing bonuses that crack me up


Jonathan Huberdeau signed a 8 year, $84,000,000 contract with the Calgary Flames on Aug. 4, 2022. The contract has a cap hit of $10,500,000.

SEASON	CLAUSE	CAP HIT	AAV	P. BONUSES	S. BONUSES	BASE SALARY	TOTAL SALARY	MINORS SAL
2023-24	NMC	$10,500,000	$10,500,000	$0	$7,000,000	$3,500,000	$10,500,000	$10,500,000
2024-25	NMC	$10,500,000	$10,500,000	$0	$7,000,000	$3,500,000	$10,500,000	$10,500,000
2025-26	NMC	$10,500,000	$10,500,000	$0	$7,000,000	$3,500,000	$10,500,000	$10,500,000
2026-27	NMC	$10,500,000	$10,500,000	$0	$9,500,000	$1,000,000	$10,500,000	$10,500,000
2027-28	NMC	$10,500,000	$10,500,000	$0	$9,500,000	$1,000,000	$10,500,000	$10,500,000
2028-29	NMC	$10,500,000	$10,500,000	$0	$7,000,000	$3,500,000	$10,500,000	$10,500,000
2029-30	M-NTC, NMC	$10,500,000	$10,500,000	$0	$9,500,000	$1,000,000	$10,500,000	$10,500,000
2030-31	M-NTC, NMC	$10,500,000	$10,500,000	$0	$5,000,000	$5,500,000	$10,500,000	$10,500,000
TOTAL		$84,000,000	$84,000,000	$0	$61,500,000	$22,500,000	$84,000,000	$84,000,000

 

[longtimeoilfan]

The idea of our Oilers getting Kane - maybe the best RW in the league - is picking up momentum ... and all people can talk about is the Flames? Who cares about those mouth breathers.

 

[Seachd]

I’d much rather have Tkachuk than Kadri, and that’s barely even considering the ridiculous age difference.

 

[Raab]

Much as I like Patrick Kane I can’t for the life of me understand why so many people want this to happen instead of trying to shore up the defender, which seems like a far, far bigger need than another top six scorer.

No good defenders available is the problem. Ryan Graves is probably the best, but I think having a 3rd line that can dominate the competition would help us win more games.

 

[Seachd]

If they loaded up on 1st round picks they could have.

That’s not really how that works.

 

[Fourier]

Much as I like Patrick Kane I can’t for the life of me understand why so many people want this to happen instead of trying to shore up the defender, which seems like a far, far bigger need than another top six scorer.

Shoring up the defense probably has to come internally in the short run and possibly after the cap opens up from outside.

There is no defender even conceivably available at a price that would make sense that could have the impact of adding Kane might have.

Colorado did not win this year because their defense was rock solid at keeping the puck out of their net. They won because their offense overwhelmed the opposition with Makar a huge part of that attack. Kane would be a a massive addition for a possible cup run.

The Oilers could stack the top two lines or run

Kane McDaivd XXX
Hyman Draisaitl YYY
Kane Nuge ZZZ

or your favourite combination of pairs and be an absolute nightmare to match up with.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

You would. The Flames decided otherwise lol

We will see if Bedard ever puts up 115 points lol

Bedard in the NHL? 115 looks like a floor for him

 

[Beerfish]

I’d much rather have Tkachuk than Kadri, and that’s barely even considering the ridiculous age difference.

The issue is it is not a one for one trade off.

The salary difference, and the trade assets make it much closer than a one for one comparison.

 

[Oilhawks]

Bolded are my thoughts exactly. Desperation moves by their GM to attempt to stay relevant. Paying top dollar to 2 guys who had career years right before contract negotiations. And the team is still worse than the one we eliminated. Highly doubt Kadri gets 30 goals or over 60pts again.

Even with the Flames having an absolute storybook level of luck last season aside (almost no injuries, career high points across the board), I look at it like this

Gaudreau > Huberdeau

Tkachuk >> Kadri (might be even more with Tkachuk entering his prime and Kadri exiting his)

Weegar > Gudbranson

They downgraded on forward talent and upgraded a bit on D. They are a playoff team but the only way they take the division league is another (even more so?) storybook season and everyone else in the top of the Pacific underachieving

 

[Canovin]

Bedard in the NHL? 115 looks like a floor for him

Nice! Bedard is coming in and putting 115 points from the get go lol

Kid is going to be good but let's tone it down a bit lol