Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread | Yamamoto, Will He Stay or Will He Go Now?

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Buffalo has space and possible use for these guys, so give up assets and find a way

To BUF: Barrie, Foegele, 4K(he's apparently a player), Tullio, Niemelainen & 2022 2nd

To EDM: PHI 2022 2nd, Bjork and Ben Bishop

 

[alphahelix]

Tyler Yaremchuk saying EDM should lock up Bouchard right now to 6Mx8 contract. Oilers could afford it over the next couple years. It does feel like it would be a mistake to let him bridge along to UFA status.

I wonder if generous signing bonuses and NMC could get that number below 6M AAv at all or if thats even an unlikely number given what D Men have been signing to lately. Tough spot.

Personally would definitely be willing to bet max term with full NMC on Bouchard at anything under 6M. 5.5M would be my target ideally Hard to see him not covering the bet at that #.

 

[Soundwave]

Tyler Yaremchuk saying EDM should lock up Bouchard right now to 6Mx8 contract. Oilers could afford it over the next couple years. It does feel like it would be a mistake to let him bridge along to UFA status.

I wonder if generous signing bonuses and NMC could get that number below 6M AAv at all or if thats even an unlikely number given what D Men have been signing to lately. Tough spot.

Personally would definitely be willing to bet max term with full NMC on Bouchard at anything under 6M. 5.5M would be my target ideally Hard to see him not covering the bet at that #.

If he's willing to sign that deal, you do it. Don't really think there would be much of a debate.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

If he's willing to sign that deal, you do it. Don't really think there would be much of a debate.

Agreed. I would do that deal yesterday.

 

[Kaptah]

Agreed. I would do that deal yesterday.

Even I would do that deal, and I'm not (yet) a big fan of Bouch.

 

[LTIR]

Even I would do that deal, and I'm not (yet) a big fan of Bouch.

Sure if this is because cap is going to go up to 100M... Performance wise Bouchard can be bridged for under 3M per ala guys like Kylington...
The man has a lot of polishing up to do defensively

 

[MessierII]

Exactly! With the current environment, it could take two days to get a guy up from BAK on an emergency basis if you were lucky.

The thing is they don’t actually need to be there. As long as they are there on paper it doesn’t matter.

 

[Fourier]

The thing is they don’t actually need to be there. As long as they are there on paper it doesn’t matter.

LS just said that this is not permissible. Even if it was, do you want someone like Samorukov sitting around doing nothing because the cap dictates a roster of 20-21? In fact, because of waivers it may mean something like choosing to send Broberg down and playing Samorukov instead. Even though he might pass through if you don't have any extra room for extras you might be reluctant to lose a guy like Samourukov becuase it further limits your options for emergency call ups if you can't bring up Koekkeok due to salary limitations.

Player must "travel" towards AHL. Only when recalled do they return.

Players cannot hang around city (unless travel arrangements dictate). Team may be fined for cap circumvention if they try this.

Thanks LS!

 

[Oilhawks]

Anything from Boob today?

 

[Fourier]

I stand corrected on the first account and apologize. On the second I believe we see eye to eye, both waiting to be corrected if we are incorrect. If so I will be simultaneously humbled and grateful for the clarification. In the end I only want solutions and a Stanley Cup.

You never know what direction covid will take. If the last several years are any indicator, probably not a good one.

Truthfully, I was not at all sure on the actual rule, as it is not spelled out in the CBA, so my intention was to clarify rather than prove anyone wrong. That's why I went to the experts on the Business of Hockey Board. The people there like LS and @mouser know the cba and its nuances better than most GM's. If they interpret a rule a certain way, I'll take their word for it!

 

[Jumptheshark]

Player must "travel" towards AHL. Only when recalled do they return.

Players cannot hang around city (unless travel arrangements dictate). Team may be fined for cap circumvention if they try this.

That is what I thought

 

[McDNicks17]

Sure if this is because cap is going to go up to 100M... Performance wise Bouchard can be bridged for under 3M per ala guys like Kylington...
The man has a lot of polishing up to do defensively

Kylington isn't even slightly comparable.

Bouchard will likely be signing after back-to-back 40+ point seasons.

 

[McShogun99]

Tyler Yaremchuk saying EDM should lock up Bouchard right now to 6Mx8 contract. Oilers could afford it over the next couple years. It does feel like it would be a mistake to let him bridge along to UFA status.

I wonder if generous signing bonuses and NMC could get that number below 6M AAv at all or if thats even an unlikely number given what D Men have been signing to lately. Tough spot.

Personally would definitely be willing to bet max term with full NMC on Bouchard at anything under 6M. 5.5M would be my target ideally Hard to see him not covering the bet at that #.

Holland will just keep bridging him until he's about to hit UFA status then sign him for 12 x 8.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Holland will just keep bridging him until he's about to hit UFA status then sign him for 12 x 8.

That's exactly what he will do, kick that can down the road. Chiarelli vs Holland, who wins ?

 

[MessierII]

Player must "travel" towards AHL. Only when recalled do they return.

Players cannot hang around city (unless travel arrangements dictate). Team may be fined for cap circumvention if they try this.

It happens all the time. Guys get “sent down” between games then still go practice get “recalled” game day and dress for the game. If it’s a rule it’s never been enforced as this is a regular thing.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Anything from Boob today?

Just saw his tweet where he said Broberg would have to be a disaster for him not to make the team and that Holloway is in the mix to make the big club but would have to earn it.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Holland will just keep bridging him until he's about to hit UFA status then sign him for 12 x 8.

The only reason he bridged Nurse on his last deal was that we did not have the cap space for a larger long term deal thanks to Chia. Has he bridged anyone else to UFA yet? No he has not please stop now.

 

[McDNicks17]

The only reason he bridged Nurse on his last deal was that we did not have the cap space for a larger long term deal thanks to Chia. Has he bridged anyone else to UFA yet? No he has not please stop now.

Thanks to Holland for re-signing Kassian like a week and a half before Nurse's bridge.

 

[Fourier]

It happens all the time. Guys get “sent down” between games then still go practice get “recalled” game day and dress for the game. If it’s a rule it’s never been enforced as this is a regular thing.

It's no longer a usual thing. Nor has it been for years.

I wish I had a reference but LS comment about having to travel "towards" the AHL team is a specific change I remember to address this issue. It's something that I could see the NHLPA really going to town on since it hurts players on two-way deals to a very significant degree. And while it is over all neutral to the whole PA this is the sort of thing they really do tend to get involved with.

But in the end this is not really relevant to the Oilers circumstance. They either have room for the player or they don't.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Necas signing for $3 million is a pretty decent deal.

 

[MessierII]

It's no longer a usual thing. Nor has it been for years.

I wish I had a reference but LS comment about having to travel "towards" the AHL team is a specific change I remember to address this issue. It's something that I could see the NHLPA really going to town on since it hurts players on two-way deals to a very significant degree. And while it is over all neutral to the whole PA this is the sort of thing they really do tend to get involved with.

But in the end this is not really relevant to the Oilers circumstance. They either have room for the player or they don't.

Here’s deadline 2019

Minor Transactions: 02/25/2019

Minor transactions around the NHL for February 25th, 2019.

www.prohockeyrumors.com

Another example from October 2019

Edmonton Oilers' recall of Evan Bouchard a paper move, but actual opportunity still draws near | Sporting News Canada

Bouchard recall a paper move, but opportunity draws near

www.sportingnews.com

Paper transactions happen all the time.

 

[Mr Positive]

The only reason he bridged Nurse on his last deal was that we did not have the cap space for a larger long term deal thanks to Chia. Has he bridged anyone else to UFA yet? No he has not please stop now.

I'm fine with keeping public pressure on the org over this just because of Bouchard. We need a long term deal for him before he fully matures.

Whether it's Chiarelli or Holland it doesn't matter. The pattern for the Edmonton Oilers is that they are so desperate to win right away that they haven't been looking at the future. Sure Holland inherited a tight cap but it didn't take long for him to get in a spot worse than Chiarelli ever had. Even then I am willing to cut Holland all the slack in the world as long as he gets the message not to let Bouchard turn into the Nurse contract. He forced himself to make room for Kane. He can force himself to make extra room for a long term Bouchard deal

 

[Fourier]

Here’s deadline 2019

Minor Transactions: 02/25/2019

Minor transactions around the NHL for February 25th, 2019.

www.prohockeyrumors.com

Paper transactions happen all the time.

The deadline is a very different thing. This is typically done to meet AHL playoff eligibility.

A paper transaction like this is a very different thing than the repeated movement of a player on and off the roster in off days.

 

[McShogun99]

The only reason he bridged Nurse on his last deal was that we did not have the cap space for a larger long term deal thanks to Chia. Has he bridged anyone else to UFA yet? No he has not please stop now.

Jokes

 

[xoczar99ox]

Lol bad thing because he doesn’t get hit. Sure man.

No but it’s a bad thing if he’s dumping the puck early and forcing an icing so he can peel off and not get hit.

If you can’t see that connection I won’t hold it against you. That’s why I don’t take offence to the sarcastic responses.