Proposal: Rumors and Proposals Thread: Will the Supposed Veteran D That We're Targeting Please Stand Up?

[McTonyBrar]

Not sure if Dusty is the best at rumours but..

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[GodPucker]

Dustin Neilson

There has been some buzz that the Oilers will make a move for a veteran dman when Sekera goes on the LTIR. Not a sure thing but I've been told they are seriously looking at that option.

 

[780il]

Not sure if Dusty is the best at rumours but..

Yep, we've been talking about this for a while and Bobby Stauff's been foreshadowing hard. Kassian + Pick(s) for Faulk incoming.

 

[Mcnofool6110]

When can Sekera go on the LTIR?

 

[Spawn]

Not sure if Dusty is the best at rumours but..

He actually seems pretty connected when he posts a "rumour"

But the Oilers putting Sekera on LTIR on works if we're already at the cap. Right now we're still 4M under. I guess if we sign Nurse and a guy like Chaisson we're probably there. But that would need to happen before we can utilize Sekera for cap relief on LTIR. AND we'd be screwed if Sekera comes back in a few months.

 

[Spawn]

When can Sekera go on the LTIR?

Typically day one of the season.

 

[belair]

LTIR relief is complicated once you dig into it.

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Who would be traded once Sekera comes off LTIR?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

He actually seems pretty connected when he posts a "rumour"

But the Oilers putting Sekera on LTIR on works if we're already at the cap. Right now we're still 4M under. I guess if we sign Nurse and a guy like Chaisson we're probably there. But that would need to happen before we can utilize Sekera for cap relief on LTIR. AND we'd be screwed if Sekera comes back in a few months.

If we aren't targeting Faulk who else might fit the criteria as a target?

 

[SK13]

Who would be traded once Sekera comes off LTIR?

If it's in February/March, they may not need to trade anyone in season.

Put it this way. The Oilers will likely carry a 23 man roster into Europe. Let's say the team is McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Lucic, Strome, Reider, Kassian, Caggiula, Brodziak, Puljujarvi, Rattie, Khaira, Aberg, Sekera*, Klefbom, Larsson, Russell, Nurse (~3.2M), Benning, Jerabek, Gravel, Talbot and Koskinen. With buyout penalties and such, the Oilers carry 48.67M in cap out of a 49.5M dollar cap. More if they were willing to demote a player like Aberg and pay a player like Chiasson ~950k. Let's just say for arguments sake they do that and they carry a team costing 48.97M into the season.

Well, then you place Andrej Sekera on LTIR. 48.97M - 5.5M = 43.47M. Let's say the player is Justin Faulk and the acquisition somehow comes without the subtraction of roster salary. That would make your cap hit, in practice 48.28M for 23 players.

Then comes, say, February 15th. The most likely time period Sekera may be ready to return. His cap hit for the remaining games would be about 1.74M. The Oilers would no longer need to dress 23 men, so let's subtract Gravel and Rattie just because they're the lowest men in cap on the totem poll and that would illustrate my point better. That team would cost about 48.52M and include both Justin Faulk and Andrej Sekera on the roster.

A decision would need to be made for 19-20, and trade deadline acquisitions would be a little wonky, but it works. It even probably gives you enough of a bubble to disregard bonus overages.

 

[Kolja]

If we aren't targeting Faulk who else might fit the criteria as a target?

Braun?

 

[Cloned]

If we aren't targeting Faulk who else might fit the criteria as a target?

Gardiner.

Something like Bear + Kassian for Gardiner gives the Leafs the room to re-sign Nylander.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Braun?

Interesting, not sure if Wilson would trade him to us though.

 

[McIce Whole]

I know Faulk gets ripped on by some but I would gladly take him. Improve our PP. We can play him in a second pairing role and give him offensive zone starts while Larsson takes on the tougher assignments.

 

[The Bored Man]

Not sure if Dusty is the best at rumours but..

It's probably Nikita Nikitin.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

It's probably Nikita Nikitin.

Is he even playing anymore?

 

[Fourier]

If it's in February/March, they may not need to trade anyone in season.

Put it this way. The Oilers will likely carry a 23 man roster into Europe. Let's say the team is McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Lucic, Strome, Reider, Kassian, Caggiula, Brodziak, Puljujarvi, Rattie, Khaira, Aberg, Sekera*, Klefbom, Larsson, Russell, Nurse (~3.2M), Benning, Jerabek, Gravel, Talbot and Koskinen. With buyout penalties and such, the Oilers carry 48.67M in cap out of a 49.5M dollar cap. More if they were willing to demote a player like Aberg and pay a player like Chiasson ~950k. Let's just say for arguments sake they do that and they carry a team costing 48.97M into the season.

Well, then you place Andrej Sekera on LTIR. 48.97M - 5.5M = 43.47M. Let's say the player is Justin Faulk and the acquisition somehow comes without the subtraction of roster salary. That would make your cap hit, in practice 48.28M for 23 players.

Then comes, say, February 15th. The most likely time period Sekera may be ready to return. His cap hit for the remaining games would be about 1.74M. The Oilers would no longer need to dress 23 men, so let's subtract Gravel and Rattie just because they're the lowest men in cap on the totem poll and that would illustrate my point better. That team would cost about 48.52M and include both Justin Faulk and Andrej Sekera on the roster.

A decision would need to be made for 19-20, and trade deadline acquisitions would be a little wonky, but it works. It even probably gives you enough of a bubble to disregard bonus overages.

I am not sure I agree with your math here. If they added Faulk to the current roster with Nurse signed at say $3.5M, they would need to shed $4M+ in salary to make it happen. That would still be true in February.

 

[Fourier]

Braun?

That would be a very good move. I don't think SJ can afford Braun if they sign Karlsson. But for this year they can and I wonder how high the price might be for him.

 

[Fourier]

It's probably Nikita Nikitin.

Ban him!!!

 

[SK13]

I am not sure I agree with your math here. If they added Faulk to the current roster with Nurse signed at say $3.5M, they would need to shed $4M+ in salary to make it happen. That would still be true in February.

Which part are you in disagreement with?

That Faulk could be added without any salary going out AFTER Sekera goes on LTIR is clear. They wouldn't have to clear a dime to make that happen. Re-reading it, the only bit I'm a bit shaky on is salary proration for players who come off LTIR but I'm pretty sure that's at least how it used to work and Chicago utilized it at one point. It's definitely true of midseason acquisitions (you do not bring on their full cap midyear, only what is remaining).

 

[Fourier]

Which part are you in disagreement with?

That Faulk could be added without any salary going out AFTER Sekera goes on LTIR is clear. They wouldn't have to clear a dime to make that happen. Re-reading it, the only bit I'm a bit shaky on is salary proration for players who come off LTIR but I'm pretty sure that's at least how it used to work and Chicago utilized it at one point. It's definitely true of midseason acquisitions (you do not bring on their full cap midyear, only what is remaining).

LTIR has never saved cap space. When a player is on LTIR his full caphit counts. All that LTIR does for you is to allow you to replace the player while temporarily exceed the cap. Once the player comes off you are back to the rules as usual. This means that you would effectively have to remove salary equal to the amount you had previously exceeded the cap by.

Now you are correct that if you add players mid stream you only have to account for the portion of the cap they will actually be paid for. But if you had no free cap space accumulated to that point your team would have used up most of its cap space already. As such this portion of the new players salary would be in the exact ratio to the space you have left that the players full cap hit would have been to the original cap at the beginning of the year.

 

[Smartguy]

He actually seems pretty connected when he posts a "rumour"

But the Oilers putting Sekera on LTIR on works if we're already at the cap. Right now we're still 4M under. I guess if we sign Nurse and a guy like Chaisson we're probably there. But that would need to happen before we can utilize Sekera for cap relief on LTIR. AND we'd be screwed if Sekera comes back in a few months.

Agreed Dusty will rarely post a rumor so for the most part if he does it’s real. When can we LTIR Sekera, and I’m not a cap guy but why does it matter we wait? Don’t we not have to be complaint till then anyways?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I'm fine doing a Hamonic like overpay for Faulk at this point.

When it comes to the U23 group, this team's deep enough to absorb the loss, and having Faulk for the full year would limit how high those picks would be.

Klefbom/Nurse-Larsson
Russell-Faulk
Nurse/Klefbom-/Jarabek/Benning/Garrison/Gravel

 

[joestevens29]

It's quite the situation we have.

The talk has been about potentially moving two forwards out, but that seemed to be based on Upshall taking a spot. And even at one time if the plan was to some how move Kassian and Caggiula and end up with Faulk, is that even an option now?

Seems like a lot was going to hinge on PTO's. Now with Upshall potentially done that makes things a little bit more difficult.

Be interesting to see if they target another cheap forward even off waivers.

 

[joestevens29]

Intersting that CGY gave PTO to Siemens and one Gilbert Brule

Had no idea Brule was still playing. Does look like he's played damn near every game the past 3 years in the KHL, no playoff games though. Injuries seemed to be one of his major downfalls here, along with some mental issues. If he's been able to get by the injury side maybe he sticks around as an extra