Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread | Puljujarvi, Turris, Barrie & Quine, Anyone Else?

[McOvechking]

I absolutely love Laine, and it's sort of weird the way he's being talked about here.

Just because he doesn't make sense for us, doesn't mean he isn't an incredible player who would obviously make our offense even more ridiculously dangerous.

But the cost it would take to acquire him, and the cap space he would take up, just doesn't make sense and is not a sensible way to build a contender.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

True.

how many comps for Nuge are being paid $8M right now?

Huberdeau is making $5.9 against the cap for the next two years and Nuge has never come close to his numbers. Same draft class. I just think there’s a lot more comparables that out Nuge in the $6.5M range than the $8M range

I cant think of anyone in Nuge's bracket being paid 8M. I think he will wind up around 7-7.5 personally but that depends on the term Holland is willing to go. Hollands history is to keep the cap lower by overterming, but I would rather pay more up front and keep the term shorter, 5 years possibly. Term always bites you in the ass whereas if a player isn't living up to the contract you can move on from it easier with a shorter term.

 

[Fourier]

What the hell have the jets ever won besides the avco cup.. ask Gretz if he appreciated having Kurri's one timer.

Kurri was far more than a one timer. He was Selke quality defensive forward and a great playmaker in his own right. Having Kurri on his line allowed Gretzky to take more chances and play a style of game that made everyone more effective. Laine is not that player.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I wonder how many players are going to give Vegas a break like that without a complete NMC after seeing how they have no issue dealing players away and having them lose those benefits that they gave a discount for.

Same with Tampa. That tax break isnt worth the paper its written on once your traded to Montreal or California. I think after what Vegas and Tampa have demonstrated, and even Nashville to a certain degree, this tax free discount is going to come with either full NMC and/or very restrictive NTC's. Ferraro has always said that is the danger in these tax free places and with this abuse of negotiating discounts and then moving a player a year or two later, perhaps the time has come where players and owners alike would agree on the salary cap floating based on marginal tax rates of the city your playing in.

Speaking of California that will become a huge No Go Zone for players once they pass their 2 new tax bills. Increasing basic tax to a max of 16.8% equaling a 54% marginal tax rate AND a wealth tax on anyone with a net worth over $30 million where you pay .4% of your net worth, even if you move out of state, where it follows you for 10 years on an annual declining basis.

 

[DEJL]

Still say he's an ideal fit.. 6 ' 5", only 22, and can score. Think of him and Jesse for the Oilers next year.

 

[The Nuge]

True.

how many comps for Nuge are being paid $8M right now?

Huberdeau is making $5.9 against the cap for the next two years and Nuge has never come close to his numbers. Same draft class. I just think there’s a lot more comparables that out Nuge in the $6.5M range than the $8M range

Ryan Johansen makes 8, and Nuge has easily been the better player since Johansen signed that deal. That’s going to be the comp they use

 

[Llamamoto]

I don't want Laine. Too expensive and too one dimensional. Plus we would have to give up lots. Winnipeg isn't taking our dregs and picks for him, quit dreaming.

Laine isn't close to being one-dimensional. Since his rookie season his playmaking and defensive play have both improved like crazy.

But yeah, we don't have the assets to get him.

 

[Mez]

I've wanted Hoffman for years....sounds like he's decided where he wants to sign but that team needs to clear cap....please be us

 

[Fourier]

Remember Nevada is a tax free state plus he can write the mortgage off on his soon to be $5 million dollar home. That is like being paid $11 million + in Alberta.

The difference in the marginal tax rate is about 8% in Alberta vs Vegas. The Mortgage deduction is only on the first $750K in and is worth less than $10K. So the actual number based on a very simplistic calculation is is more like $9.4M but even that is high since the US tax system is much more complex than just the rate where you live for a hockey player. Vegas also has a sales tax of over 8% and a real estate transfer tax that is $2.50 per $500 vs Alberta's $1 per $5000. So if he ever sells that $5M home he would owe a $25K tax bill.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Still say he's an deal fit.. 6 ' 5", only 22, and can score. Think of him and Jesse for the Oilers next year.

Not worth the acquisition cost, and when he's not scoring, he's not doing much. He probably costs you RNH+ or Broberg++ and I'm not sold that makes us better.

 

[3IR]

I've wanted Hoffman for years....sounds like he's decided where he wants to sign but that team needs to clear cap....please be us

As nice as that would be, I can already see Gregors smug tweet about how he knew all along.

 

[Faelko]

Question for cap guys. Can the Oilers just leave Haas or Nygard in Europe for the season and clear their cap hits?

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

When can Klefbom be placed on LTIR to free cap space? Is it at a certain time? Or just any? Maybe he's waiting for that

 

[McDrai]

Question for cap guys. Can the Oilers just leave Haas or Nygard in Europe for the season and clear their cap hits?

I hope so. Neither of them really make us a better team

 

[McShogun99]

Kurri was far more than a one timer. He was Selke quality defensive forward and a great playmaker in his own right. Having Kurri on his line allowed Gretzky to take more chances and play a style of game that made everyone more effective. Laine is not that player.

Laine is a one trick pony but he’s damn good at that trick. He’s probably the closest player in the league to Ovechkin. You put him on our 1st PP unit and he’s going to be scoring around 50 goals every year. The problem is what his cap hits going to be in a few years.

 

[McSuper]

Maybe Winnipeg would do Bouchard + 1st + Kassian + klefbom

fan complain about our cap problems all the time . They blame Holland for not doing enough and yet we see postings like this all the time . If we move cap we meet to upgrade our D and grab a cheap winger For MaDavid while the cap is flat . Next year our team should be (xxx means upgrades

xxx McDavid Xxx hopefully Puljujarvi
DRY
Xxx Turris Puljujarvi
Nygard Haas Archibald

RD
Barrie
Bear
Bouchard

LD
Xxx
Nurse I wanted to trade but Klefbom is always injured
Xxx

 

[McShogun99]

Same with Tampa. That tax break isnt worth the paper its written on once your traded to Montreal or California. I think after what Vegas and Tampa have demonstrated, and even Nashville to a certain degree, this tax free discount is going to come with either full NMC and/or very restrictive NTC's. Ferraro has always said that is the danger in these tax free places and with this abuse of negotiating discounts and then moving a player a year or two later, perhaps the time has come where players and owners alike would agree on the salary cap floating based on marginal tax rates of the city your playing in.

Speaking of California that will become a huge No Go Zone for players once they pass their 2 new tax bills. Increasing basic tax to a max of 16.8% equaling a 54% marginal tax rate AND a wealth tax on anyone with a net worth over $30 million where you pay .4% of your net worth, even if you move out of state, where it follows you for 10 years on an annual declining basis.

Thats why millionaires are moving from California and just keeping a “vacation” home there.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

I hope so. Neither of them really make us a better team

I disagree, especially in the case of Haas. He's exactly what an offensively minded, two way team looks for in a 4th liner.

 

[oobga]

When can Klefbom be placed on LTIR to free cap space? Is it at a certain time? Or just any? Maybe he's waiting for that

Pretty sure you can do off-season LTIR. The Leafs needed to put ~10M worth of players on LTIR to be able to sign Marner in the off-season last year.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

The difference in the marginal tax rate is about 8% in Alberta vs Vegas. The Mortgage deduction is only on the first $750K in and is worth less than $10K. So the actual number based on a very simplistic calculation is is more like $9.4M but even that is high since the US tax system is much more complex than just the rate where you live for a hockey player. Vegas also has a sales tax of over 8% and a real estate transfer tax that is $2.50 per $500 vs Alberta's $1 per $5000. So if he ever sells that $5M home he would owe a $25K tax bill.

Excellent insight thanks! You must be a tax accountant!

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Here's my Laine question,

If you could move

Neal, Klefbom, Bouchard and a 1st for Laine and Perrault, do you do it?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Laine would be a great add but not at the trade acquisition and cap cost that he would command.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Here's my Laine question,

If you could move

Neal, Klefbom, Bouchard and a 1st for Laine and Perrault, do you do it?

What kind of a contract does he sign for?

 

[McDrai]

I disagree, especially in the case of Haas. He's exactly what an offensively minded, two way team looks for in a 4th liner.

I just don't see anything that he does well. 42% on faceoffs, doesn't produce much offensively at the NHL level, not that great on the boards battling for the puck. He doesn't strike me as a player that would be on a contending team's roster. I think Tippett sees that too, only trusting him to play less than 10 mins per game.

 

[DEJL]

Here's my Laine question,

If you could move

Neal, Klefbom, Bouchard and a 1st for Laine and Perrault, do you do it?

Omg yes.. who wouldn't sign off on that deal.. Jets are going to want RNH though.