Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread | Gazzola: "hearing we may see PTO coming into camp"

[belair]

I mean, you’re probably going to lose Pulju regardless.

And making the playoffs is never a bad thing. Especially since McDavid staying happy with a losing team is not a likely proposition.

No we aren't. We're going to get what we decide to accept for him. Either that, or he plays in Europe until he's a grown ass man.

As for the previous post, it was supposed to say miss the Wildcard. But even then, I'm not entirely happy scraping into the playoffs only to see that asset vanish. Because quite honestly a 30-some point defenseman isn't the difference between making the playoffs or not.

Puljujarvi should be moved for an asset we can have for as long as we would have him. This is still a player who has a lot of potential to come back and bite us in the ass.

 

[Cloned]

No we aren't. We're going to get what we decide to accept for him. Either that, or he plays in Europe until he's a grown ass man.

As for the previous post, it was supposed to say miss the Wildcard. But even then, I'm not entirely happy scraping into the playoffs only to see that asset vanish. Because quite honestly a 30-some point defenseman isn't the difference between making the playoffs or not.

Puljujarvi should be moved for an asset we can have for as long as we would have him. This is still a player who has a lot of potential to come back and bite us in the ass.

Or his value could drop to nothing if he stays in Europe and plays poorly.

There’s a good chance you could get more from Faulk, either as a roster player or trade asset later in the year.

 

[McDrailers]

Personally thinking, if the Canes would take Pool for Faulk I do it. Sure there’s a chance that Faulk dips on the off-season but if you can convince him to stick around you’re in the money.

Granted I don’t see Jesse ever dawning and Oilers short ever again.

Faulk for 1 season > Jesse in Europe all year/ 4th round pick

 

[belair]

Or his value could drop to nothing if he stays in Europe and plays poorly.

There’s a good chance you could get more from Faulk, either as a roster player or trade asset later in the year.

He's three seasons removed from being a lottery pick. I don't see his value dropping too substantially. The kid didn't forget how to play hockey.

As for parlaying Faulk, it doesn't really make a ton of sense considering you're setting the price three or four months in advance. Who's flipping a top prospect for him today? Where's that extra value coming from at the deadline?

What I'm seeing is a lot of hopeful assumptions. Realistically, trading one of our most valuable trade chips today for a rental is actually a pretty bad idea in the long term scheme of things. And I get the desire to improve the defense.

 

[Cloned]

He's three seasons removed from being a lottery pick. I don't see his value dropping too substantially. The kid didn't forget how to play hockey.

As for parlaying Faulk, it doesn't really make a ton of sense considering you're setting the price three or four months in advance. Who's flipping a top prospect for him today? Where's that extra value coming from at the deadline?

What I'm seeing is a lot of hopeful assumptions. Realistically, trading one of our most valuable trade chips today for a rental is actually a pretty bad idea in the long term scheme of things. And I get the desire to improve the defense.

You’re assuming he actually knew how to play hockey well at the pro level in the first place.

If you trade Pulju for Faulk and Faulk makes the team more competitive, or you get a decent package for Faulk at the deadline, what’s the downside? The likelihood of Pulju ever becoming an impact player at this level is remote.

 

[belair]

You’re assuming he actually knew how to play hockey well at the pro level in the first place.

If you trade Pulju for Faulk and Faulk makes the team more competitive, or you get a decent package for Faulk at the deadline, what’s the downside? The likelihood of Pulju ever becoming an impact player at this level is remote.

The downside is the market for Faulk being less than what you expect it to be. The downside is Puljujarvi the asset returning nothing in the long term.

The best course on Puljujarvi is to sit on the offers you get on him until a reasonable return comes. Holland's ask of a quality prospect and pick is right where it should be. He also rarely dabbles in the rental market, so a Faulk trade would be out of character.

 

[Cloned]

The downside is the market for Faulk being less than what you expect it to be. The downside is Puljujarvi the asset returning nothing in the long term.

The best course on Puljujarvi is to sit on the offers you get on him until a reasonable return comes. Holland's ask of a quality prospect and pick is right where it should be. He also rarely dabbles in the rental market, so a Faulk trade would be out of character.

Your second sentence could really be my argument if we don’t trade him sooner rather than later.

 

[BudBundy]

It amazes me how Nurse has tonnes of room to grow, but Benning who is less then a year older, and played 70
fewer games in the league couldn’t possibly improve from bottom pairing to a number 4

Benning can marginally improve, but he simply doesnt have the tools to improve much further. Benning is 4” shorter, 25lbs lighter than Nurse, and is frankly a very mediocre skater. Nurse can flat out fly. Benning has decent puck skills and generally makes the right play but he will never be able to make the plays that Nurse can make.

 

[belair]

Your second sentence could really be my argument if we don’t trade him sooner rather than later.

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Do you expect this player to turn into a potato? You're talking about a high end prospect playing in Europe. His value is going to be the same tommorow as it is today.

 

[Cloned]

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Do you expect this player to turn into a potato? You're talking about a high end prospect playing in Europe. His value is going to be the same tommorow as it is today.

He’s already a potato, arguably.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Mcleod is honestly a RNH clone with a bit less skill. Best player next to Bouchard from the period

 

[Raab]

Benning can marginally improve, but he simply doesnt have the tools to improve much further. Benning is 4” shorter, 25lbs lighter than Nurse, and is frankly a very mediocre skater. Nurse can flat out fly. Benning has decent puck skills and generally makes the right play but he will never be able to make the plays that Nurse can make.

Which is why you shouldnt expect him to be Nurse. But no reason not to think he can't turn into a #4 dman. He reads the play well, can make a good pass, and has a hard shot.

 

[McTonyBrar]

It amazes me how Nurse has tonnes of room to grow, but Benning who is less then a year older, and played 70
fewer games in the league couldn’t possibly improve from bottom pairing to a number 4

Benning really hasn't shown much potential to be a number 4..

 

[Raab]

Benning really hasn't shown much potential to be a number 4..

He was only the best defender in his own zone last year... I think he really came into his own towards the end of the year.

 

[BudBundy]

He was only the best defender in his own zone last year... I think he really came into his own towards the end of the year.

I respectfully disagree. Benning simply cannot escape pressure and he cannot break up a cycle. He makes a good pass but unless he picks up a huge step in skating there is zero chance he’ll ever be a #4.

 

[Fourier]

Benning has only sunk when paired with one partner.(Who’s partners always look bad) When he was paired with Sekera for the playoffs he was fine. No reason to think he won’t be fine paired with Klefbom or Russell

You really do have a blind spot with Nurse. Over the last two years:

Nurse and Benning: CF% 52.75% GF% 66.67%

 

[onetweasy]

It amazes me how Nurse has tonnes of room to grow, but Benning who is less then a year older, and played 70
fewer games in the league couldn’t possibly improve from bottom pairing to a number 4

I need to remind myself of this. Way harder on Benning.

If we could just magically drop a Drew Doughty type onto our blue line I would feel really good about the group........everyone would slot into the correct pair.....sigh

 

[Raab]

You really do have a blind spot with Nurse. Over the last two years:

Nurse and Benning: CF% 52.75% GF% 66.67%

Corsi is an offensive number, not defensive. You have to look at the HDSCA, and HDGA

 

[snipes]

I thought Raab had his own thread to opine on Nurse in?

 

[McDNicks17]

Where does the good pass stuff come from with Benning?

He was one of the worst defensemen in the entire league at exiting the zone with possession last season.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Benning can marginally improve, but he simply doesnt have the tools to improve much further. Benning is 4” shorter, 25lbs lighter than Nurse, and is frankly a very mediocre skater. Nurse can flat out fly. Benning has decent puck skills and generally makes the right play but he will never be able to make the plays that Nurse can make.

Benning reads the game better than nurse but nurses physical skills makes him better anyways IMO.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Corsi is an offensive number, not defensive. You have to look at the HDSCA, and HDGA

What about the GF%?

Isn’t the goal of the game to outscore your opponent

 

[BudBundy]

Where does the good pass stuff come from with Benning?

He was one of the worst defensemen in the entire league at exiting the zone with possession last season.

I think its because he hits the tape when he has time. The problem is he is too slow to escape forecheckers and too small to shrug them off and maintain control so he never gets that time. So he’s always forced to just dump it out or go off the glass.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

Mcleod is honestly a RNH clone with a bit less skill. Best player next to Bouchard from the period

I think you're underestimating the skill gap a lot.

The difference will really start to show in a few weeks when they're playing with NHL players and the NHL guys are rounding into form.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Mcleod is honestly a RNH clone with a bit less skill. Best player next to Bouchard from the period

He has a lot less skill than RNH