Prospect Info: Round 4, Pick 104: Mikhail Vorobyov, C, Tolpar Ufa (MHL --> KHL)

[Jersey Fan 12]

Was extended a qualifying offer in 2020.

Do the Flyers still have any interest or was that more of a procedural thing?

 

[deadhead]

Probably a procedural thing, no agreement with KHL means I think they keep his rights indefinitely.
One never knows, he seems to have improved his defense in the KHL, if he used his body and played defense he could be a useful 4th line forward.

 

[deadhead]

Marcus Kruger was probably the best 4C in NHL in his prime. Would not hurt a fly. Could not really produce much.

Because the overall sum of parts is what matters.

Picking players for roles and stereotypes is stupid in the modern NHL.

You have to do something well, Vorobyev was neither physical or good at defense or much of a skater.
His only plus skill was passing from behind the net.
It's not like he didn't get numerous opportunities to win a job.

Roles do matter, but how you balance roles can differ.
TB has good forecheckers on the 2nd and 3rd lines, so they can carry an odd 4th line with two veteran scorers who can't skate and PEB CYA for them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You have to do something well, Vorobyev was neither physical or good at defense or much of a skater.
His only plus skill was passing from behind the net.
It's not like he didn't get numerous opportunities to win a job.

Roles do matter, but how you balance roles can differ.
TB has good forecheckers on the 2nd and 3rd lines, so they can carry an odd 4th line with two veteran scorers who can't skate and PEB CYA for them.

The odd 4th line that doesn't match existing roles proves roles are irrelevant and counter productive.

As do Fletcher's awful results while building for roles

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fletcher would never even attempt to build a bottom six like the best teams have, because they don't fit his notions of roles.

 

[deadhead]

The odd 4th line that doesn't match existing roles proves roles are irrelevant and counter productive.

As do Fletcher's awful results while building for roles

No, it simply shows there are different ways to balance a roster.

One reason I'd like to see them keep Cates - Frost - Tippett together is they were an excellent "energy" line, you'd like to see them finish better, but they showed the potential to control play. If your 3rd line can do that consistently, then you might go a little different direction with the 4th line.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No, it simply shows there are different ways to balance a roster.

One reason I'd like to see them keep Cates - Frost - Tippett together is they were an excellent "energy" line, you'd like to see them finish better, but they showed the potential to control play. If your 3rd line can do that consistently, then you might go a little different direction with the 4th line.

There's different ways to balance a roster?

Ah, so roles are irrelevant, outdated, lazy concepts. Otherwise there would only be the one way that Fletcher tries to build to.

I bet the very second Fletcher is out of the GM position you do a 180 on the team's role-fitting obsession, just like you've done with coaching.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I remember when Hextall said the Flyers had Vorobyev rated on roughly the same level as Joel Eriksson-Ek in the draft.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I remember when Hextall said the Flyers had Vorobyev rated on roughly the same level as Joel Eriksson-Ek in the draft.

Fletcher has left the scouting staff that did that rating almost entirely untouched.

Is that good management?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Fletcher has left the scouting staff that did that rating almost entirely untouched.

Is that good management?

The scouts had Heiskanen and Makar over Patrick.

And thankfully Hextall and Pryor, the two head honchos who ran and lorded over 5 drafts, are gone.

 

[FLYguy3911]

LMAO.

 

[Caser]

Probably a procedural thing, no agreement with KHL means I think they keep his rights indefinitely.
One never knows, he seems to have improved his defense in the KHL, if he used his body and played defense he could be a useful 4th line forward.

They keep the rights until he is 27, since the indefinite thing is only for players, who haven't signed the ELC before.

 

[freakydallas13]

The scouts had Heiskanen and Makar over Patrick.

And thankfully Hextall and Pryor, the two head honchos who ran and lorded over 5 drafts, are gone.

The scouts had Makar over Patrick pre-draft?

Citation needed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The scouts had Heiskanen and Makar over Patrick.

And thankfully Hextall and Pryor, the two head honchos who ran and lorded over 5 drafts, are gone.

No, they didn't. Even your valued article doesn't claim that. Like DH, you're just resorting to writing fanfiction.

Hextall and Pryor didn't work alone or make the rankings alone. So it is good management that Fletcher has left what you claim is a failed staff intact?

 

[Beef Invictus]

The scouts had Makar over Patrick pre-draft?

Citation needed.

Bob Clarke lying to defend his cronies and most importantly, by extension, himself.

 

[Rebels57]

Bob Clarke lying to defend his cronies and most importantly, by extension, himself.

Imagine believing that just because Clarke said it an interview that was a clear attempt to take heat off of the current management. We never heard a peep on Flyers and Makar from before the draft until Clarke in 2022, but sure, let's believe it lol

 

[Beef Invictus]

Imagine believing that just because Clarke said it an interview that was a clear attempt to take heat off of the current management. We never heard a peep on Flyers and Makar from before the draft until Clarke in 2022, but sure, let's believe it lol

When Heiskanen was the big thing, "team sources" (ahem, Clarke) claimed the scouts wanted him.

How Makar is The Thing, and the story has changed to wanting him. It was definitely never wanting both over Patrick.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

No, they didn't. Even your valued article doesn't claim that. Like DH, you're just resorting to writing fanfiction.

Hextall and Pryor didn't work alone or make the rankings alone. So it is good management that Fletcher has left what you claim is a failed staff intact?

It's been posted multiple times before. You just continue to choose to ignore it. The original report was that the scouts wanted to take either of the defensemen over Patrick -- Makar or Heiskanen -- but the scouts were divided on Makar and Heiskanen.

Any of the scouts who had Vorobyev and Eriksson Ek as not far apart were obviously wrong, to include Hextall and Pryor. The same scouting staff also didn't want Patrick, and they were obviously right. They should get a raise for that. Instead they got overruled.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's been posted multiple times before. You just continue to choose to ignore it. The original report was that the scouts wanted to take either of the defensemen over Patrick -- Makar or Heiskanen -- but the scouts were divided on Makar and Heiskanen.

Any of the scouts who had Vorobyev and Eriksson Ek as not far apart were obviously wrong, to include Hextall and Pryor. The same scouting staff also didn't want Patrick, and they were obviously right. They should get a raise for that. Instead they got overruled.

I'm fully aware of Clarke's shifting lies.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Hell, maybe Hextall lied or stretched the truth about having Vorobyov not far off from Eriksson Ek in order to sell his draft.

 

[Larry44]

The scouts had Makar over Patrick pre-draft?

Citation needed.

The Clarke bullsh*t Hextall bashing story was contradicted by a scout, anonymously. Flyers scouts wanted Heiskanen over Patrick, not Makar. It fit Clarke’s narrative to change it to Cale.

 

[Rebels57]

The Clarke bullsh*t Hextall bashing story was contradicted by a scout, anonymously. Flyers scouts wanted Heiskanen over Patrick, not Makar. It fit Clarke’s narrative to change it to Cale.

From what I understand it was still only a couple of scouts that preferred Heiskanen and the majority were still team Patrick.

 

[GKJ]

The Clarke bullsh*t Hextall bashing story was contradicted by a scout, anonymously. Flyers scouts wanted Heiskanen over Patrick, not Makar. It fit Clarke’s narrative to change it to Cale.

They said on 32 Thoughts that week that he got the name wrong

 

[FlyguyOX]

The Clarke bullsh*t Hextall bashing story was contradicted by a scout, anonymously. Flyers scouts wanted Heiskanen over Patrick, not Makar. It fit Clarke’s narrative to change it to Cale.

Link to source?

 

[pit]

Link to source?

32 Thoughts: Oilers making serious attempt to get Evander Kane

As we move closer to Evander Kane's decision on where he plays next in the NHL, the Edmonton Oilers are emerging as a serious player for his services.

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10. Bob Clarke dropped bombs on Cam Janssen and Andy Strickland’s podcast, taking a big run at former Philadelphia GM Ron Hextall. If anything, that confirmed the huge divide between Hextall and the Flyers’ alumni -- a power struggle that played a major factor in Hextall’s firing. My main takeaway from the timing of Clarke’s comments is that the heat is on, and Comcast is deciding what direction the team should go. Clarke would want current GM Chuck Fletcher to rebuild the team if that’s the chosen path. By taking this route, he’s trying to make sure that happens. He’d do anything to defend someone he likes.

11. Asked about Clarke’s comments, one scout laughed, “It was Heiskanen, not Makar. Close enough.”