Prospect Info: Round 2, Pick 48, Carter Hart, G, Everett (WHL)

[onlylordsvsmorebp]

He's Neil Little.

ONLY LITTLER...

 

[Embiid]

I'm awesome.....

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

So you're saying there is a chance Hart will be better than Eric Fichaud by the time all is said and done... :p

 

[AdamParrot]

Has Carter got a chance to be between stars of the month?

6W-2L

304 SA - 283 SV - 0.931%

Most saves in the league in Januray I think.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Has Carter got a chance to be between stars of the month?

6W-2L

304 SA - 283 SV - 0.931%

Most saves in the league in Januray I think.

Jesus...if he is, it'll just plaster his name even more across the NHL

 

[Embiid]

.920 is always a sweet spot for starting goalies...Carter of course is exceeding that avg!

 

[Hiesenberg]

I've always come to understand.

.910 - Decent/Ok
.920- Pretty good
.930 - Above Avg, borderline elite

 

[Appleyard]

.920 is always a sweet spot for starting goalies...Carter of course is exceeding that avg!

I think it was from ~2010-2018... where the league average was .912-.915.

But this year average is .908, back to 07-09, 97-03 levels.

Where .915 sv%+ made you an above average starter, .920 sv% made you top ~8-10 in the league.


I mean, Hart is 8th of the 60 goalies in the NHL amongst goalies with 12+ games played.

And of the 32 goalies with 25+ games played the median sv% is .912!

Which all makes his sv% even more impressive.

 

[baudib1]

No, because the pressure of the AHL is much lower than the NHL. And the Phantoms were a good enough AHL team to stay well above .500, even with their starter at .900.

Really, you think if he starts the season in the NHL he struggles, loses his confidence and never plays well? Don't be ridiculous. He would have outplayed all the other Flyers goalies even through his adjustment period and be in exactly the same spot he is in now - dominating.

 

[AdamParrot]

Has Carter got a chance to be between stars of the month?

6W-2L

304 SA - 283 SV - 0.931%

Most saves in the league in Januray I think.

Ooooh, he can be ROOKIE star of the month.

Hmmm, your thoughts?

 

[Hiesenberg]

I would've loved to see Hart start the year here, but I'm in the camp that doesn't think starting in the AHL was that big of a deal. I'm pretty sure it helped let him get some familiarity with the type of competition.

 

[Appleyard]

I've always come to understand.

.910 - Decent/Ok
.920- Pretty good
.930 - Above Avg, borderline elite

It depends so much on era.

But since the lockout statistically, for starters:

05-06:

Decent/ok (average starter): .900 sv%
Pretty good (above average): .905 sv%
Borderline elite (top 10): .910 sv%

06-09:

Decent/ok (average starter): .910 sv%
Pretty good (above average): .914 sv%
Borderline elite (top 10): .917 sv%

09-14:

Decent/ok (average starter): .915 sv%
Pretty good (above average): .917 sv%
Borderline elite (top 10): .920 sv%

14-16:

Decent/ok (average starter): .918 sv%
Pretty good (above average): .920 sv%
Borderline elite (top 10): .922 sv%

16-18:

Decent/ok (average starter): .915 sv%
Pretty good (above average): .917 sv%
Borderline elite (top 10): .920 sv%

18-19:

Decent/ok (average starter): .914 sv%
Pretty good (above average): .916 sv%
Borderline elite (top 10): .918 sv%

 

[Hiesenberg]

I never really thought .920 was considered that good, but damn, if Hart is already pulling that number out.

 

[Appleyard]

I never really thought .920 was considered that good, but damn, if Hart is already pulling that number out.

I get why, Vezina finalists are usually up at ~.930...

but generally the ~10th best statistical starter in the league is only *just* at .917sv%-.921sv%, has been like that for 11 of the last 14 seasons.

10th best starter (48%+ games played) in each season:

05-06: Martin Brodeur (.911 sv%)
06-07: Henrik Lundqvist (.917 sv%)
07-08: Tomas Voukoun (.919 sv%)
08-09: Henrik Lundqvist (.916 sv%)
09-10: Jonas Hiller (.918 sv%)
10-11: Antti Niemi (.920 sv%)
11-12: Henrik Lundqvist (.920 sv%)
12-13: Sergei Bobrovsky (.923 sv%)
13-14: Henrik Lundqvist (.920 sv%)
14-15: Semyon Varmalov (.921 sv%)
15-16: Marc-Andre Fleury (.921 sv%)
16-17: Cam Talbot (.919 sv%)
17-18: Devan Dubnyk (.918 sv%)
18-19: Casey DeSmith (.917 sv%)

 

[Hiesenberg]

Carter Hart really is on another level.

Pretty amazing to watch, I pray it continues.

 

[catbellysqueezer]

I am very reluctant to believe that we might have a good goaltender.

 

[Curufinwe]

Really, you think if he starts the season in the NHL he struggles, loses his confidence and never plays well? Don't be ridiculous. He would have outplayed all the other Flyers goalies even through his adjustment period and be in exactly the same spot he is in now - dominating.

Hart played two months in the AHL, and when he was called up to the NHL he has played well under Scott Gordon.

Your assumptions about how he would have played in the NHL under Dave Hakstol with the league's worst PK in front of him and with no chance to get acclimated to pro hockey at a lower level are just that, assumptions.

 

[Tripod]

I am 100% ok with Hart starting in the AHL and Hakstol never getting a chance to have Hart cover his issues.

With Hextall in charge, Hart still would be in the AHL and it would have been Lyon getting games instead.

 

[Hiesenberg]

I am 100% ok with Hart starting in the AHL and Hakstol never getting a chance to have Hart cover his issues.

With Hextall in charge, Hart still would be in the AHL and it would have been Lyon getting games instead.

And we would've been next to Ottawa in the standings

 

[deadhead]

The changes in pads has brought down S%, be interesting to see how it impacted different styles and types of goalies, my suspicion is that it was tougher on the big goalies who with large pads could just cover a large portion of the net without great mobility.

It'll be interesting to see how Stolarz plays the rest of the season (and Lyon in the AHL, I think he wasn't 100% in Philly, he's been lights out the last couple months, picking up on his playoff performance last year - and AHL playoffs are good indicators of NHL success for goalies).

Obviously Hart is the starter next year, but if one of these guys shows enough, Fletcher can focus on other positions instead of adding another veteran retread (b/c no starter caliber veteran is coming here to play 25-30 games).

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Hart looks fantastic. He seems completely comfortable now & has made a massive difference in this team’s fortunes.

He easily is already the best goalie I’ve seen in a Flyers net since Cechmanek.

 

[FlyTimmo]

Hart and Stol are going to be the heart and soul of this team for a long time.

 

[Striiker]

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Hart and Stol are going to be the heart and soul of this team for a long time.

 

[AdamParrot]

Ooooh, he can be ROOKIE star of the month.

Hmmm, your thoughts?

As I said.