Line Combos: Rough lineup for next season? Part 2
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Why did EJ play so little? Is he still injured a bit or banged up? What's going on.. Holden playing over 20 mins.. No wonder we suck defensively.
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Foppa2118
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Saying Roy gets out coached by Yeo takes away the blame from the players that play like idiots. He can't run the bench and perform brain transplants at the same time.
Likewise with Yeo, he has very little to do with making Parise a great player. He pretty much single handedly beat the Avs last night, and he deserves the credit not baldy.
Likewise with Yeo, he has very little to do with making Parise a great player. He pretty much single handedly beat the Avs last night, and he deserves the credit not baldy.
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Jarey Curry
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Anyway that aggressive style of playing cannot stop, and maybe games like the previous one are there to remind that once you get the lead, you sure as hell cant stop and enjoy the view..
True, but one has to question/credit things that do fall on the coaches.
- Matchups
- Playing style changes during the game (prevent, attacking, etc)
- Roster choices and line combos
The last one really concerns me more in a game like tonight or when playing a physically "heavy" style team like the Ducks/Kings.
Stars don't seem like a team you want to have your poorest skating defensemen out against. Ducks/Kings aren't a team you would probably want a "softer" pairing like Gormley - Barrie getting 20+ minutes
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Sadly I think no changes means no changes, but Roy has been somewhat willing to change his mind from day to day
Landy - MacK - Tangs
Comeau - Dutch - Iggy
Grigs - Yeti - Rant (Grigs takes draws)
McLeod - Malkin - Skille
Beauch - EJ
Gormley - Barrie
Zadorov - Holden/Stuart/Guenin (I don't really care much anymore for who plays the #6)
Would be something I wouldn't mind against Dallas
Landy - MacK - Tangs
Comeau - Dutch - Iggy
Grigs - Yeti - Rant (Grigs takes draws)
McLeod - Malkin - Skille
Beauch - EJ
Gormley - Barrie
Zadorov - Holden/Stuart/Guenin (I don't really care much anymore for who plays the #6)
Would be something I wouldn't mind against Dallas
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Can't believe Roy isn't even going to give Gormley a shot in game 2 after his great preseason and Holden's and Guenin's terrible game one
cgf
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Hopefully this Holden-Guenin pairing is a prelude to Stuart and Gormley being given their shots. Also wouldn't mind a shake up of the forward lines.
Landy - MacK - Tanguay
Comeau - Dutchy - XX1
XX2 - Soderberg - Iginla
McCleod - Malkin - XX3
Beauchemin - Johnson
Zads/Gormley - Barrie
Zads/Gormley - Stuart
XX1 - Rintintin/Rendo/Skille
XX2 - Rintintin/Greg (Everbeast)
XX3 - Skille/Rendo (Everbeast)
Landy - MacK - Tanguay
Comeau - Dutchy - XX1
XX2 - Soderberg - Iginla
McCleod - Malkin - XX3
Beauchemin - Johnson
Zads/Gormley - Barrie
Zads/Gormley - Stuart
XX1 - Rintintin/Rendo/Skille
XX2 - Rintintin/Greg (Everbeast)
XX3 - Skille/Rendo (Everbeast)
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THIS. I think Iginla would benefit from playing with a big pure playmaker like Soderberg, and Rantanen seems like a highly intelligent player who would instantly click with Duchene. I personally would also put grigorenko out there with Soda/Iginla; then obviously not fix what ain't broke and leave the fourth line as is.
I don't want to break up Duchene's line as much as a lot of other people but Soderberg's line really needs mixing up.
Landeskog MacKinnon Tanguay
Comeau Duchene Rantanen
Grigorenko Soderberg Iginla
McLeod Mitchell Skille
...
I guess that's actually exactly the same lineup as everyone else's.
Iginla is really hot though and Soderberg is not so I don't think it's reasonable to give our best shooter our most struggling center. More reasonable is:
Landeskog MacKinnon Tanguay
Rantanen Duchene Iginla
Grigorenko Soderberg Comeau
McLeod Mitchell Skille
Landeskog MacKinnon Tanguay
Comeau Duchene Rantanen
Grigorenko Soderberg Iginla
McLeod Mitchell Skille
...
I guess that's actually exactly the same lineup as everyone else's.
Iginla is really hot though and Soderberg is not so I don't think it's reasonable to give our best shooter our most struggling center. More reasonable is:
Landeskog MacKinnon Tanguay
Rantanen Duchene Iginla
Grigorenko Soderberg Comeau
McLeod Mitchell Skille
cgf
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Last season Patty used our only hot forward (Duchene) to get everyone else going. 
With the Yeti's improved play against Dallas I think giving him Iggy would make a lot of sense while Iggy's hot. Not only would that line fit better pacing-wise, but it'd really get them going to give Soderberg Iginla to tee up. I may even keep Rantanen on that line because he seemed to really improve last game just like Soderberg, and those two seemed to have good chemistry as big long and smart guys who felt each other well in the offensive zone...though I do think he will be a sweet fit with Duchene once he's settled in and broken through.
On a side note did Iginla play with Soderberg in Boston at all? For some reason in my head-canon they did...though maybe that was just on the PP...so there may even already be some chemistry in place between the two of them.
As for breaking up the Duchene line, I'm not as gung-ho about it as I was when I first saw our lines for the Minny match/throughout the summer; but I still think Matty would benefit from another guy like Comeau taking Iginla spot so that all 3 guys on the line can fly around on the forecheck and bring a ton of energy alongside Matt's creativity. And though Iggy's shot is hot, he isn't that guy.
With the Yeti's improved play against Dallas I think giving him Iggy would make a lot of sense while Iggy's hot. Not only would that line fit better pacing-wise, but it'd really get them going to give Soderberg Iginla to tee up. I may even keep Rantanen on that line because he seemed to really improve last game just like Soderberg, and those two seemed to have good chemistry as big long and smart guys who felt each other well in the offensive zone...though I do think he will be a sweet fit with Duchene once he's settled in and broken through.
On a side note did Iginla play with Soderberg in Boston at all? For some reason in my head-canon they did...though maybe that was just on the PP...so there may even already be some chemistry in place between the two of them.
As for breaking up the Duchene line, I'm not as gung-ho about it as I was when I first saw our lines for the Minny match/throughout the summer; but I still think Matty would benefit from another guy like Comeau taking Iginla spot so that all 3 guys on the line can fly around on the forecheck and bring a ton of energy alongside Matt's creativity. And though Iggy's shot is hot, he isn't that guy.
FALAPARK17
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Comeau - Duchene - Rantanen
Landeskog - Mackinnon - Grigorenko or Everberg
Tanguay - Soderberg - Iginla
McLeod - Mitchell - Skille
Beauchemin - Johnson
Gormley - Barrie
Zadorov - Stuart
Landeskog and Mackinnon need to be given every chance to score and with Grigorenko on their line, i think that'll happen.
Rantanen also needs to be given a chance to produce offensively and i think, with Duchene and Comeau as his linemates, he'll get that chance.
At this point, i feel Tanguay and Iginla are too slow and should be paired with Soderberg, to avoid slowing down any line they're on. And besides, Soderbergs preference to make the safe plays will benefit Tanguay and Iginla.
When this team struggles to score goals, and they will. You can send out Gormley and Barrie for that.
I liked what i've seen from Stuart in the 3rd period against the Bruins. And the 3rd pairing can be sent out to lay hits and kill penalties.
Honestly, i think these line changes will finally allow the avs to play the fast offensive game they've been wanting to play for a long time, and every line will be able to sustain pressure in the o-zone. You simply can't depend on your 4th line to win you hockey games.
I like what every player brings to the table and i think now's the time to have them play as a unit. They're too talented to be losing games as bad as Minny and Boston
Landeskog - Mackinnon - Grigorenko or Everberg
Tanguay - Soderberg - Iginla
McLeod - Mitchell - Skille
Beauchemin - Johnson
Gormley - Barrie
Zadorov - Stuart
Landeskog and Mackinnon need to be given every chance to score and with Grigorenko on their line, i think that'll happen.
Rantanen also needs to be given a chance to produce offensively and i think, with Duchene and Comeau as his linemates, he'll get that chance.
At this point, i feel Tanguay and Iginla are too slow and should be paired with Soderberg, to avoid slowing down any line they're on. And besides, Soderbergs preference to make the safe plays will benefit Tanguay and Iginla.
When this team struggles to score goals, and they will. You can send out Gormley and Barrie for that.
I liked what i've seen from Stuart in the 3rd period against the Bruins. And the 3rd pairing can be sent out to lay hits and kill penalties.
Honestly, i think these line changes will finally allow the avs to play the fast offensive game they've been wanting to play for a long time, and every line will be able to sustain pressure in the o-zone. You simply can't depend on your 4th line to win you hockey games.
I like what every player brings to the table and i think now's the time to have them play as a unit. They're too talented to be losing games as bad as Minny and Boston
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Iceberg
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I don't like that 3rd line you put togheter, it's too slow IMO. I would try:
Landeskog-MacKinnon-Tanguay
Rantanen-Duchene-Iginla
Mitchell-Soderberg-Comeau
McLeod-Grigorenko-Skille
I think Mitchell and Comeau could form an interesting 3rd line with Soderberg and complement him. Mitchell could take faceoffs and they both have decent speed, physical play and are good defensively, things that are lacking in Soderberg's game.
FALAPARK17
Colorado Avalanche
Comeau - Duchene - Iginla
Landeskog - Mackinnon - Tanguay
Grigorenko - Soderberg - Rantanen
..?
Soderberg and Rantanen play pretty well together, and not a knock against Rendulic, but they need someone that can pass as well as Tanguay, to give them a chance to finally contribute offensively.
And I don't think it's a good idea to move Comeau away from Duchene, his aggressive forecheck helps Duchene. Although Duchene is yet to use that to his advantage
And part of the reason, Mitchell is playing so well, is because of McLeod and Skille. So I wouldn't touch that 4th line, personally.
Landeskog - Mackinnon - Tanguay
Grigorenko - Soderberg - Rantanen
..?
Soderberg and Rantanen play pretty well together, and not a knock against Rendulic, but they need someone that can pass as well as Tanguay, to give them a chance to finally contribute offensively.
And I don't think it's a good idea to move Comeau away from Duchene, his aggressive forecheck helps Duchene. Although Duchene is yet to use that to his advantage
And part of the reason, Mitchell is playing so well, is because of McLeod and Skille. So I wouldn't touch that 4th line, personally.
Duchene2MacKinnon
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Eww, no. The last thing Duchene needs is another old, slow player on his wing. If anything, it's time to take Iginla off Duchene's line.
Comeau - Duchene - Rantanen
Landeskog - MacKinnon - Tanguay
Grigorenko - Soderberg - Iginla
McLeod - Mitchell - Skille
Duchene2MacKinnon
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I'm all for that, I've been saying for some time now they shouldn't be playing together. They just don't work well with each other. TBH it was a bad signing but that's irrelevant.
Tangs+Duchene would work because Tanguay can actually pass the puck and make plays. Duchene needs players who can posses the puck in the Ozone and sustain pressure. All iggy does is cough up the puck or shoot.
Freudian
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Last night I figured Iginla-Söderberg-Tanguay would be worth a shot. All of them have been very quiet in ES and it would allow us to use a Comeau-Duchene-Rantanen line that could possibly be useful.
Ideally they'd recall Everberg and have him with Landeskog and MacKinnon but Grekorako would be fine.
Ideally they'd recall Everberg and have him with Landeskog and MacKinnon but Grekorako would be fine.
How was that a bad signing?
Duchene needs to simplify his game first and foremost.
