Speculation: Roster Speculation: Part XVI (Off-Season Madness)

[Beerz]

When did a top 10 overall pick become such chump change in trade proposal conversation?

Especially considering the teams that are being discussed. Anaheim is an internal cap strapped team and Minny is a cap team. Young ELC talent is huge today to all teams but especially those 2.

 

[Dingo44]

When did a top 10 overall pick become such chump change in trade proposal conversation?

Since people have been losing sleep over their singular obsession for the Sabres to have a top LHD RIGHT NOW.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Static, Fowler was outside of the top 100 in shot attempt generation, and adjusted further downwards relative to his team.

Just because he skates well and appears to have puck skills doesn't mean he actually delivers the impact his skillset implies.

 

[Sabre Dance]

What is the value of Enstrom and Edler?

 

[Sabre Dance]

Static, Fowler was outside of the top 100 in shot attempt generation, and adjusted further downwards relative to his team.

Just because he skates well and appears to have puck skills doesn't mean he actually delivers the impact his skillset implies.

I asked this question before, his advanced stats are not good.

 

[DJN21]

Static, Fowler was outside of the top 100 in shot attempt generation, and adjusted further downwards relative to his team.

Just because he skates well and appears to have puck skills doesn't mean he actually delivers the impact his skillset implies.

All the talk of Fowler makes me question how he is a good fit as Risto's partner. And if he's not then whats the point? Unless we swing for the fences as a previous poster alluded to and got 2 dmen ala Fowler and Brodin and could pair a:

Brodin-Risto
Fowler-Bogo
McCabe-Pysyk

unit then I dont really see how Risto and Fowler will complement eachother enough to warrant trading away the assets required.

 

[Beerz]

Fowler is basically Myers to me.

What would you pay for Myers?

 

[stokes84]

I asked this question before, his advanced stats are not good.

Neither are Ristolainin's.

 

[haseoke39]

Could Murray manage to bring both Brodin and Fowler in or is that totally out of the question?

I think it's certainly possible. It depends on Murray's appetite. Until I see otherwise, I'm skeptical that he sees LHD as that incredibly pressing of a need. I think if he was inclined to think that way, he'd probably have brought in something last summer. Further development of McCabe and Guhle might only make it less urgent.

But if he DID want to go that way, I think I'd be happy with any two deals for a 1LHD and a 2LHD (Fowler and Brodin would probably fit the bill) that cumulatively paid out:

Our 8th OV this year
Our 2017 1st
Any one roster forward not named ROR, Sam, or Jack
Any one good prospect in the organization
Any filler prospects or picks (i.e., thirds and Cornels etc.) that needed to be added.

If you could take a handful of pieces like that and essentially take our left defense from AHL level to playoff level while only losing a single, non-core forward from the roster, I think I'd have to be happy overall. You'd be looking at last year's roster, replace Kane/Girgensons with Fasching/Bailey, completely fix our defense, and give everybody a year of development, we could talk about our five year window opening immediately.

Anyways. That would be my ideal summer. Actually, my ideal summer would be Lindholm + Brodin without losing a roster player at all, but that would require some real guts.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Neither are Ristolainin's.

Big difference. Age and players around him. Ducks are a good team.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I think it's certainly possible. It depends on Murray's appetite. Until I see otherwise, I'm skeptical that he sees LHD as that incredibly pressing of a need. I think if he was inclined to think that way, he'd probably have brought in something last summer. Further development of McCabe and Guhle might only make it less urgent.

But if he DID want to go that way, I think I'd be happy with any two deals for a 1LHD and a 2LHD (Fowler and Brodin would probably fit the bill) that cumulatively paid out:

Our 8th OV this year
Our 2017 1st
Any one roster forward not named ROR, Sam, or Jack
Any one good prospect in the organization
Any filler prospects or picks (i.e., thirds and Cornels etc.) that needed to be added.

If you could take a handful of pieces like that and essentially take our left defense from AHL level to playoff level while only losing a single, non-core forward from the roster, I think I'd have to be happy overall. You'd be looking at last year's roster, replace Kane/Girgensons with Fasching/Bailey, completely fix our defense, and give everybody a year of development, we could talk about our five year window opening immediately.

Anyways. That would be my ideal summer. Actually, my ideal summer would be Lindholm + Brodin without losing a roster player at all, but that would require some real guts.

This is exactly the way I'm feeling at the moment.

 

[haseoke39]

Take it one step further:

8th OV + Fasching for Brodin
Kane + 2017 1st for Fowler

Defense is fixed with less than $3M added to the cap.

NOW sign Stamkos.

 

[Sabre Dance]

I think it's certainly possible. It depends on Murray's appetite. Until I see otherwise, I'm skeptical that he sees LHD as that incredibly pressing of a need. I think if he was inclined to think that way, he'd probably have brought in something last summer. Further development of McCabe and Guhle might only make it less urgent.

But if he DID want to go that way, I think I'd be happy with any two deals for a 1LHD and a 2LHD (Fowler and Brodin would probably fit the bill) that cumulatively paid out:

Our 8th OV this year
Our 2017 1st
Any one roster forward not named ROR, Sam, or Jack
Any one good prospect in the organization
Any filler prospects or picks (i.e., thirds and Cornels etc.) that needed to be added.

If you could take a handful of pieces like that and essentially take our left defense from AHL level to playoff level while only losing a single, non-core forward from the roster, I think I'd have to be happy overall. You'd be looking at last year's roster, replace Kane/Girgensons with Fasching/Bailey, completely fix our defense, and give everybody a year of development, we could talk about our five year window opening immediately.

Anyways. That would be my ideal summer. Actually, my ideal summer would be Lindholm + Brodin without losing a roster player at all, but that would require some real guts.

I think Murray loves Jake McCabe.

 

[haseoke39]

I think Murray loves Jake McCabe.

It did take some balls to walk into training camp with a top four spot basically guaranteed to him. A lot of posters said he'd never let that happen after we moved Zads.

 

[Beerz]

Take it one step further:

8th OV + Fasching for Brodin
Kane + 2017 1st for Fowler

Defense is fixed with less than $3M added to the cap.

NOW sign Stamkos.

Then in 2 years you have to sign Brodin, Fowler, Eichel,Reinhart at the very least.


Who are you protecting in expansion draft?

 

[DJN21]

I think Murray loves Jake McCabe.

agreed but thats okay because so do I

 

[Mattilaus]

If what we have been saying about the expansion draft is true, it would be dumb to spend assets on players we'd have to expose. One this year, we'd have to expose a Bogo, McCabe Pysyk, two adds this summer, all three exposed.

I agree, keep the pick this year, go after cap casualty or use secondary pieces.

I'd rather do another "growing" year and wait until after expansion draft to really go for it

Could we not do the 8 and 1 option? save ROR, Kane, Larsson, girg, bogo, risto, brodin, fowler and lehner? With Eichel and Reinhart not needing protection?

This also ignores we would almost certainly be sending back one or both of McCabe and Pysyk in deals for Fowler and Brodin.

 

[Jame]

Then in 2 years you have to sign Brodin, Fowler, Eichel,Reinhart at the very least.


Who are you protecting in expansion draft?

8 Skaters, 1 Goalie: Risto, Brodin, Fowler, Bogo, ROR, Larsson, Girgs, Foligno, Lehner
Jack and Sam don't need to be protected.

What am I missing?

Am I supposed to sweat losing one of McCabe, Pysyk, Ennis ?

Besides... we are just going to give someone a nice pick/prospect package to take Matt Moulson off our hands, or Cody Franson

the expansion draft is super Chicken Little

 

[Jame]

If what we have been saying about the expansion draft is true, it would be dumb to spend assets on players we'd have to expose. One this year, we'd have to expose a Bogo, McCabe Pysyk, two adds this summer, all three exposed.

I agree, keep the pick this year, go after cap casualty or use secondary pieces.

I'd rather do another "growing" year and wait until after expansion draft to really go for it

You'd rather not make a push to become a playoff team... for fear of losing one of McCabe or Pysyk? So weird...

 

[Beerz]

8 Skaters, 1 Goalie: Risto, Brodin, Fowler, Bogo, ROR, Larsson, Girgs, Foligno, Lehner
Jack and Sam don't need to be protected.

What am I missing?

Am I supposed to sweat losing one of McCabe, Pysyk, Ennis ?

Besides... we are just going to give someone a nice pick/prospect package to take Matt Moulson off our hands, or Cody Franson

the expansion draft is super Chicken Little

Not sweating...was just curious.

My real issue is signing Stamkos ahnd having to re-sign those 4 at same time

 

[Revelate]

8 Skaters, 1 Goalie: Risto, Brodin, Fowler, Bogo, ROR, Larsson, Girgs, Foligno, Lehner
Jack and Sam don't need to be protected.

What am I missing?

Am I supposed to sweat losing one of McCabe, Pysyk, Ennis ?

Besides... we are just going to give someone a nice pick/prospect package to take Matt Moulson off our hands, or Cody Franson

the expansion draft is super Chicken Little

but what about the next expansion draft.

 

[Jame]

Not sweating...was just curious.

My real issue is signing Stamkos ahnd having to re-sign those 4 at same time

yea, i have no interest in signing stamkos, but the expansion draft isnt even part of the equation for me.

 

[CaptPantalones]

What is the value of Enstrom and Edler?

I've seen Canucks fans clamoring for a 1st for edler. So i have no idea

Enstrom? To me, pysyk and a 2nd?

 

[joshjull]

Static, Fowler was outside of the top 100 in shot attempt generation, and adjusted further downwards relative to his team.

Just because he skates well and appears to have puck skills doesn't mean he actually delivers the impact his skillset implies.

You're really trying too hard.

Fowler played 70% of his 5 on 5 shifts with a shell of himself Bieksa (55%) and a battered Despres (15%) who was in and out of the lineup due to a nasty concussion and other injuries limiting him to 32 games. He never really played with either of Lindholm (3%) or Vatanen (5%). I think you know this but I get the impression some on here think he played with them based on their comments about his strong teammates.


Fowler has his warts to be sure. But if he was brought here to play with Risto it would be a very different situation than the one in Anaheim, at least as it pertains to quality of partner. How would that impact Fowler's overall game? Don't know for certain but I would imagine it would improve quite a bit.

 

[Yatzhee]

Static, Fowler was outside of the top 100 in shot attempt generation, and adjusted further downwards relative to his team.

Just because he skates well and appears to have puck skills doesn't mean he actually delivers the impact his skillset implies.

I understand, and, it's a crap shoot. Browsing could be the better fit. Skating was one attribute I looked at. I just don't see Grow in as a fluid fit with Risto. But, who knows.