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Roster Speculation: 2014-2015 Part One
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Freezerburn
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I feel silly even thinking about O'Reilly right now because club elected arbitration or not, players like him don't get traded very often.
joshjull
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Ya I think Tim Murray would be smarter then that, I would guess he works some conditions into a trade so it could be either NYI or STL.
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joshjull
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Smarter than that?
If ROR became available there would be a bidding war for him.
@TSNBobMcKenzie: Many NHL clubs watching this intently as Ryan O'Reilly is popular trade target, especially if teams think he may not be long-term in COL.
We would not be in position to dictate conditions on a trade. We would have to outbid whomever else is bidding for him.
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Conacher got waived because they needed to make room for Ales Hemsky and they needed to move $ in order to achieve that. Ottawa has an abundance of smaller forwards that are backed up in the AHL. Tim Murray is the guy that wanted Conacher in Ottawa. Murray likes the guy and there is certainly no risk in giving him more of an opportunity, I find the whole discussion rather bizarre to be honest. If he develops fine if he doesn't he's gone, what the big deal ? If Ottawa wasn't in such a financial mess Conacher would still be there. IMHO.
Correct, he would be smarter then to send the pick that drafted Jack Eichel to Colorado without conditions. Literally every big trade now has some conditions when moving a pick a year out.
We can debate this to death but there isn't any point, IMO Tim Murray would not move NYI pick without conditions involved. Maybe he doesn't get the player, who knows but I don't think he does it. That pick can be nearly as valuable as our own, unless we are buying into the islanders pointless end of season run.
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BananaSquad
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O'Reilly isnt going anywhere. Avs just had a fantastic season, they arent going to blow it up for future picks. Both Stastny and ROR will sign long term imo.
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Djp
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Wha. . . ?
After the lost season of 04-05. Pommers had to clear wivers at the start of 2005/2006 season to go to the AHL.
There was an unwritten rule among GMs not to claim young players who had to clear waivers t the start of 05/06.
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All day . Every damn day.
Proven > potential.
IF, reinhart is gone, Ekblad could be a stud or a dud. Bennett will be a dud. My top two are Reinhart and Ekblad, if I can trade number 2 with nothing else for a proven stud pivot. ..I don't think twice.
Jacob582
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I never heard this part of the Pommer story.
The part I know is: Florida GM Keenan was hesitant to claim him because he didn't want to ruin the relationship with the Sabres since they were sharing the Amerks with them.
He told Regier he'll pass on Pommer the 1st time, but not a 2nd time. All the other teams missed.
(Unless Keenan made up this story to cover up this unwritten rule you mention)
Der Jaeger
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The O'Reilly situation is very interesting because you have to think he exemplifies the sort of player Tim Murray has alluded to with his "trade for young player who can help us immediately" comments in the past. And Buffalo has the assets to make an enticing offer, especially for the defensively starved Avs.
I'm picturing a developed Reinhart centering O'Reilly a few years down the road. I'm also picturing Jame jumping up and down with glee
I'm picturing a developed Reinhart centering O'Reilly a few years down the road. I'm also picturing Jame jumping up and down with glee
Der Jaeger
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Three trades I'd make (outline form, would need +'s and -'s):
Pysyk, Armia, STL 2015 1st for O'Reilly. The situation in Colorado might be right to make this move. COL gets a top 4 RHD, potential to 6 RW, and a McDavid lotto ticket.
Ehrhoff (50% retained), Grigorenko, Enroth/Hackett to Carolina for Lindholm, Liles. Francis may be open to a trade that improves his blue line. The Canes don't buy into the Russian player myth, and need a younger goaltender.
Ennis to Nashville for Forsberg. The Preds need some offense, and Ennis could help.
Sign Callahan
Possible future lines:
O'Reilly - McDavid/Eichel - Hodgson
Top line. O'Reilly rides shotgun and provides defensive game to an offensive line.
Forsberg - Reinhart - Lindholm
Talented, 2-way possession line.
Larsson - Girgensons - Callahan
Another 2-way line that can be the Sabres' shutdown line.
Foligno - Kea - Deslauriers
Crash line.
Fasching, Compher, Carrier, etc in Rochester waiting.
Pysyk, Armia, STL 2015 1st for O'Reilly. The situation in Colorado might be right to make this move. COL gets a top 4 RHD, potential to 6 RW, and a McDavid lotto ticket.
Ehrhoff (50% retained), Grigorenko, Enroth/Hackett to Carolina for Lindholm, Liles. Francis may be open to a trade that improves his blue line. The Canes don't buy into the Russian player myth, and need a younger goaltender.
Ennis to Nashville for Forsberg. The Preds need some offense, and Ennis could help.
Sign Callahan
Possible future lines:
O'Reilly - McDavid/Eichel - Hodgson
Top line. O'Reilly rides shotgun and provides defensive game to an offensive line.
Forsberg - Reinhart - Lindholm
Talented, 2-way possession line.
Larsson - Girgensons - Callahan
Another 2-way line that can be the Sabres' shutdown line.
Foligno - Kea - Deslauriers
Crash line.
Fasching, Compher, Carrier, etc in Rochester waiting.
What would be intriguing would be if RoR simply opts for a 2 year deal in Arb and is a UFA in 2016. With McKinnon getting a huge raise off his ELC, O'Reilly would be a UFA at 25. Assuming next year is a bust again, 2015-2016 would be a year of improvement, 2016 Offseason would be the time for the team to be aggressive.
The Harbor center would be complete, if the Sabres could have an amazing collection of top end talent by then, and more cap space than you could shake a stick at. But, as for this summer? I just don't see many scenarios where O'reilly breaks lose. Maybe if Stantsy is re-upped long term they listen at the draft....
The Harbor center would be complete, if the Sabres could have an amazing collection of top end talent by then, and more cap space than you could shake a stick at. But, as for this summer? I just don't see many scenarios where O'reilly breaks lose. Maybe if Stantsy is re-upped long term they listen at the draft....
Colorado laughs at that. The price for O'Reilly would start with one of Risto/Zads/Girgs and builds from there. St Louis's 1st is not a 'lotto' ticket, unless there is a huge meltdown in St Louis.
It may not be up to snuff but I don't think it is laughable. That is actually 3 first round picks.
Colorado needs a top 4 D and at one point was interested in Ehrhoff. So here is my offer, Ehrhoff (@50%), choice of Armia/Grigorenko and St. louis 2015 1st for ROR
Der Jaeger
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If O'Reilly gets an offer sheet, it's two firsts, right?
Is that offer really that off of what they could get?
Lotto ticket = informal reference to a first round pick. Not meant to be taken literally.
This question doesn't belong here but why in the blue hell Buffalo bought out Gerbe last year? He's awesome. And did Jeanneret retire?
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