vadim sharifijanov
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traded him back to anaheim (or LA) for a late round pick. salvage something, anything.
maybe they say no, but does anyone believe benning even made a call to find out?
Confirmed with Link: Roster Cuts Thread - Etem waived (claimed by ANA)
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traded him back to anaheim (or LA) for a late round pick. salvage something, anything.
maybe they say no, but does anyone believe benning even made a call to find out?
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vadim sharifijanov
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Conjecture, based on no facts. So let's use your forum post as a fact
hypothesis, very clearly and plainly framed as a hypothesis, based on logical deduction and the principle agent in the hypothesis' historical body of work.
Second year in a row where Jimbo has lost an asset for nothing on the waiver wire...that's pretty hard to do for a team which finished in 28th place.
Because there's this falsehood out there that IF things work out, Emerson Etem could become the next Martin St. Louis and the Canucks will be kicking themselves for giving up on him.
That may happen one time in a thousand, but the reality of it is that IF things work out, Emerson Etem becomes the next Jack Skille. And there's not even a massively high probability of that happening.
I liked Etem but this is obviously the right move.
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Thanks for proving what I said would happen if they had waived Larsen and kept Stretcher.
Except that Etem was signed for only one year at $700,000...and the alternatives on the fourth line are Dorsett ($2.5m) and Burrows ($4.5m)...and Etem was actually a better player. Go figure.
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But it is pretty easy for a team that has 9 bottom 6 forwards and 5 bottom 2 defenders, which consequently, is why we are such a bad team. Lets lose a few more of these poor hockey players, and bring in some more skilled players and we should be good (Boeser, I'm looking in your direction).
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Eh, losing Etem doesn't really bother me all that much. Even in terms of asset management, net losing a 6th round pick isn't that bad of a gamble for a player with an intriguing set of skills. But you do kind of wish they didn't target a guy who thinks the game at the same level as a potato.
At least the acquisition cost is going down on these junk players. From a 2nd for Vey and Forsling for clendening to a 6th for etem. Maybe this year we won't trade for any waiver wire crap at all!
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Fair enough, but neither of those two were realistically in competition with Etem. Management and the coaches clearly have this notion of different roles that players need to fit, and so for the role of "speedy fourth line winger" it was between Skille and Etem, which Skille won. As opposed to "veteran with character" which maybe Tuomo Ruutu could have displaced one of Burrows or Dorsett from.
Yeah, ideally you turf Dorsett and keep both Skille and Etem. Maybe. I watched two pre-season games, and Etem was bad in both, although you have a point about salary considerations. However, if we're making changes to this team that are "ideal", keeping Emerson Etem is very, very far down on the list haha.
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1. The difference in quality is marginal at best.
2. There would have been no cost advantage in waiving Dorsett or Burrows unless you think they would get claimed.
3. given his age, there was at least the faint hope that some time in Utica could develop Etem into something useful.
4. It was reasonable to expect that Etem would clear.
5. There is very little lost by the fact that he didn't.
All things considered, it was a wise decision.
vadim sharifijanov
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one can only hope that this trend continues, so that this deadline we get a couple fliers for some literal bags of pucks, then next year grab one for just the $1 waiver transaction fee, three years from now future considerations that are actually nothing, and eventually five years from now we will graduate to picking up reclamation projects for negative value like bergevin got for kassian and that pick.
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Exactly.
It's nice enough that they got enough development out of Etem to call him a fringe/bottom-tier NHLer - but unless they develop beyond that journeyman/fringe tier of quality...once these types are out of their ELC and/or exposed to waivers, they tend to start floating around the league and it's really not a big deal.
It's too bad Etem didn't reignite the type of potential he was drafted on as an actual goal-scorer of some magnitude, but he didn't...and now he'll float around the league for a bit.
And right now, Skille is the better player. He was the better player for the role last year. And it's highly likely he'll be the better player later in this season as well. He's got years of experience floating around like that learning what it takes to stay on a roster and honing his game in that role as an NHL journeyman. Etem is just starting that journey.
The only reason a loss of Etem matters a lick, is if you really think there's still more "upside" to give there. If you think he can still mold himself into a quality Top-9 Winger. Personally, i'm ready to pretty much close the book on the possibility of that. So who cares? We swapped a fringe "asset" for a slightly better fringe "asset". that's a + value, however negligible. It doesn't matter that Skille is older, as neither he...nor a 13th Forward calibre Etem were going to be around for much longer than a year or two anyway.
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Exactly.
It's nice enough that they got enough development out of Etem to call him a fringe/bottom-tier NHLer - but unless they develop beyond that journeyman/fringe tier of quality...once these types are out of their ELC and/or exposed to waivers, they tend to start floating around the league and it's really not a big deal.
It's too bad Etem didn't reignite the type of potential he was drafted on as an actual goal-scorer of some magnitude, but he didn't...and now he'll float around the league for a bit.
And right now, Skille is the better player. He was the better player for the role last year. And it's highly likely he'll be the better player later in this season as well. He's got years of experience floating around like that learning what it takes to stay on a roster and honing his game in that role as an NHL journeyman. Etem is just starting that journey.
The only reason a loss of Etem matters a lick, is if you really think there's still more "upside" to give there. If you think he can still mold himself into a quality Top-9 Winger. Personally, i'm ready to pretty much close the book on the possibility of that. So who cares? We swapped a fringe "asset" for a slightly better fringe "asset". that's a + value, however negligible. It doesn't matter that Skille is older, as neither he...nor a 13th Forward calibre Etem were going to be around for much longer than a year or two anyway.
I am pretty sure he was that before he got here, and we deserve literally no credit in that department.
Similar to your claim that it is a fact that Granlund was going to be available on waivers if the Canucks did not trade for him.
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Pretty much this. Etem has gone from ANA/NYR/VAN/ANA and he's 24 years old - does that not say enough as is? He's really nothing special IMO. Skille and Etem (had he played the same number of games) would've had a couple more points than Skille at best? Nothing to really rave about.
Skating down the wing and taking a sharp-angled shot is not how you stay on an NHL roster.
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During pre season on HFVan:
"Etem is a bust. He sucks. Get him out of here:
Etem gets claimed:
"OMFG BENNING BLEEDING ASSETS AGAIN SMFHAAJAHDUANKJ".
HfVan gunna HFVan.
"Etem is a bust. He sucks. Get him out of here:
Etem gets claimed:
"OMFG BENNING BLEEDING ASSETS AGAIN SMFHAAJAHDUANKJ".
HfVan gunna HFVan.
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Unless you can prove that posters are contradicting themselves then well...you're complaining about HFNucks just to complain about HFNucks.
Reading the last few pages, posters are split. Happy Etem is gone, and don't care Benning waived him. Then there are others who liked Etem, and think he was a good asset, therefore the bleeding assets comments.
Kinda different then having an entire board complain and contradict themselves.
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