Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXV

[GoAwayPanarin]

They're not going to run the table or be picking 10th-11th.

Geo straight up f***ed up their chances at picking top 5, but I doubt they'll end up any higher than 7th.

Bet NJ beats them tomorrow.

 

[Alluckks]

It seems absolutely crazy to be annoyed at players for playing hard and winning a game. What is your solution? Bench anyone who you think is good? Send out a literal AHL roster in the final games and then get investigated by the NHL? f***ing genius, I'm sure that will send a great message to the player's union and all other players interested in New York

 

[I Eat Crow]

It seems absolutely crazy to be annoyed at players for playing hard and winning a game. What is your solution? Bench anyone who you think is good? Send out a literal AHL roster in the final games and then get investigated by the NHL? ****ing genius, I'm sure that will send a great message to the player's union and all other players interested in New York

The Flyers should be investigated by the league by these standards then. Not a single player on that team even looked remotely interested.

 

[effen]

They're not going to run the table or be picking 10th-11th.

Geo straight up ****ed up their chances at picking top 5, but I doubt they'll end up any higher than 7th.

So, on track to hit what everyone reasonable thought we'd hit once we traded away Zucc and Hayes (remember we were ~10th then).

This board has Alzheimers.

 

[Leetch3]

In simple terms.. as I see it..

Next year - compete - possibly make playoffs?
Two years - compete - make playoffs
Three years - Make playoffs and win a round?
Four Years = Continue to grow - maybe a round or two?
Five Years - Make noise in the playoffs
Six Years - Make noise in the playoffs

and how are we making noise in year 5 if we are still missing the elite talent needed to contend cause in years 1, 2 and 3 you made sure we are not good enough to contend but also not bad enough to get a top pick

you are severely downplaying how bad we are

 

[effen]

and how are we making noise in year 5 if we are still missing the elite talent needed to contend cause in years 1, 2 and 3 you made sure we are not good enough to contend but also not bad enough to get a top pick

you are severely downplaying how bad we are

'Elite talent' is now a meme on the level of HeY gUyS wHo ArE we TaKiNG 9tH haHAA haHAAAAhAHAH

 

[GAGLine]

This is a deep draft, so if we end up 7th, 8th or 9th, it isn't the end of the world. We can still get a very good player at those spots. Maybe Gorton doesn't get his 1st choice, but still a very good player. We also have lots of capital to use to trade up, if necessary. The top 3 was never a possibility outside of winning the lottery, and the odds aren't that much different if we slide down a few spots. It's a long shot either way. If we get lucky, great.

On a separate note, Strome has 20 points in his last 24 games. How awesome would it be if he became the player the Islanders thought they were getting when they drafted him?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So, on track to hit what everyone reasonable thought we'd hit once we traded away Zucc and Hayes (remember we were ~10th then).

This board has Alzheimers.

The 4 wins they've had since the TDL have included...

A W vs a gassed NJD team with an AHL roster

A W vs Toronto where geo made a ton of saves and the ranger puck luck came through

A W Vs St Louis where geo made a ton of saves and the ranger puck luck came through

A W vs a gassed and totally unmotivated Philly team.

The 2 wins in the middle are f***ing annoying because we had no business winning them, but it's not like this team has turned a corner and is earning their W's.

CBJ and Pittsburgh will likely have something to play for (CBJ for sure will) and both Ottawa and NJ (Home finale, don't want to be swept by the cross town Rangers) have been better than us recently.

People need to relax. It's going to be really, really hard for them to not be in the top 7.

 

[NYRFAN218]

I just hope we get the f***ing luck of the ping pong balls for once. We're owed one after what happened in 2005. Miss the playoffs 7 straight seasons and we get the 16th pick while Pittsburgh somehow comes out at 1. Amazing.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

This is a deep draft, so if we end up 7th, 8th or 9th, it isn't the end of the world. We can still get a very good player at those spots. Maybe Gorton doesn't get his 1st choice, but still a very good player. We also have lots of capital to use to trade up, if necessary. The top 3 was never a possibility outside of winning the lottery, and the odds aren't that much different if we slide down a few spots. It's a long shot either way. If we get lucky, great.

On a separate note, Strome has 20 points in his last 24 games. How awesome would it be if he became the player the Islanders thought they were getting when they drafted him?

The top tier fowards in the draft will likely all be gone by 7. So yea, drafting 7-9th is a big deal compared to 4-6.

Petterson vs Lias draft position....

 

[BroadwayStorm]

and how are we making noise in year 5 if we are still missing the elite talent needed to contend cause in years 1, 2 and 3 you made sure we are not good enough to contend but also not bad enough to get a top pick

you are severely downplaying how bad we are

This. None of the losing will mean a thing if we don't get enough elite talent out of it in the draft. We haven't gotten it yet and this year should have been the year we come up with Jack Hughes or someone of that caliber. We won't.

 

[kovazub94]

The obvious is that the Rangers roster has been significantly depleted in the last two years with no external replacement. The more it becomes depleted the more it will have to be replenished, not only long term but also while kids are developing.

Keep saying that pursuing Panarin should be an option that depends on other factors like who the Rangers pick in the upcoming draft and ability to obtain a workhorse 1RD. That’s assuming that the current core is kept. Even with KZB, the Rangers only have Chytil (forced) included in top6. Who else? So who could handle it until kids could take over? So if Kreider is moved (a condition) then going after Panarin becomes an easy “yes” to me.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They could 100% get one next year if they resist the temptation of UFA.

 

[effen]

This. None of the losing will mean a thing if we don't get enough elite talent out of it in the draft. We haven't gotten it yet and this year should have been the year we come up with Jack Hughes or someone of that caliber. We won't.

There is elite talent all over the league and a shitton of it out of the playoffs. It is not nearly as important as y'all think.

This is hockey. Hello. What you need in the POs is 8 weeks of a hot goalie.

 

[kovazub94]

The top tier fowards in the draft will likely all be gone by 7. So yea, drafting 7-9th is a big deal compared to 4-6.

Petterson vs Lias draft position....

Not applicable. 2017 wasn’t a deep draft.

 

[effen]

They could 100% get one next year if they resist the temptation of UFA.

next year is the top 3 year. gimme some of those yummy no talent character vets.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I don’t “blame” the players at ALL...among other reasons it’s still a job for them.

That said it is incredibly frustrating that barring some long odds luck at the lottery this franchise will yet again fail to secure a top 5 draft pick. It’s just the NYR way.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

The top tier fowards in the draft will likely all be gone by 7. So yea, drafting 7-9th is a big deal compared to 4-6.

Petterson vs Lias draft position....

3-8 this year are basically a toss up in terms of who goes where, not similar to 2017 at all

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t “blame” the players at ALL...among other reasons it’s still a job for them.

That said it is incredibly frustrating that barring some long odds luck at the lottery this franchise will yet again fail to secure a top 5 draft pick. It’s just the NYR way.

The team has sucked, the f***ing BACKUP has kept them from the bottom 5.

I mean a bottom 3 finish is ripe for the taking next year provided they don't get stupid in the offseason, but its annoying.

 

[Edge]

I don’t “blame” the players at ALL...among other reasons it’s still a job for them.

That said it is incredibly frustrating that barring some long odds luck at the lottery this franchise will yet again fail to secure a top 5 draft pick. It’s just the NYR way.

Such is life as a Rangers fan. As a franchise we never do things the easy way.

 

[effen]

First try. This is why obsessing over individual losses and wins at a bottom 10 team is pointless with this lottery system.

 

[duhmetreE]

and how are we making noise in year 5 if we are still missing the elite talent needed to contend cause in years 1, 2 and 3 you made sure we are not good enough to contend but also not bad enough to get a top pick

you are severely downplaying how bad we are

Who's to say we're getting elite talent, either way? Infinite cynicism

This has become a meme.....

We can't be cup contenders unless we get a top 2 pick.
We cant get a top2 pick unless we win the lotto..
We can only win if we win the lotto.

This team will never be the worst in the league. Hoping we hit the lotto is not a plan. That's why signing a player like Panarin is important IMO. We had a top 10 pick last year. We have a top 10 pick this year. We have assets to trade and maybe we can hit a home run without a top2 pick..

Not Top 2 - Kucherov, Marchand, Kuznetsov, Scheifele, Pastrnak, Marner, Gaudreau, Aho, Bergeron, Monahan, Point, DeBrincat, R'OR, Tkachuk, Panarin etc.
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Yes, top 2 players in the draft are typically elite. How are we getting those players? Just suck indefinitely, until it happens? That's not a proper plan IMO

 

[bobbop]

I'm hard pressed to see how next years team will be worse than this years team. Who are you going to sell off? Kreider I get but at a minimum you should expect Kravtsov to take his place. What else are you going to strip down. You think trading Shattenkirk (good luck with that) or Vesey or buying out Smith is going to make this team worse? Young players, which constitute the majority of the team, are going to get better. If you want to see the Rangers lose every night, go root for the Islanders.

 

[apoptygma]

In simple terms.. as I see it..

Next year - compete - possibly make playoffs?
Two years - compete - make playoffs
Three years - Make playoffs and win a round?
Four Years = Continue to grow - maybe a round or two?
Five Years - Make noise in the playoffs
Six Years - Make noise in the playoffs

Think this timetable is a year or two off.
Even with Panarin and reasonable imporovements of this years rookies the end result wont be pretty.

The year after that, the albatrosses on the D is gone. Lundqvist is gone. Miller and Nils should be playing their first pro year. We might have 2 young golies in Georgiev and Shestyorkin.
Chytil, Howden, Lemieux and Lias in their 3. pro season. The team should be better by then, but the product will most likely vary from game to game with a so young core. Might make the playoffs.

Then the fun begin. The core should be between 19-26 years old. With a couple of older guys in Skjei and Zinbadejad (and possible Kreider/Panarin).
If the scouting departmen have done its job we will have exess young cost controlled NHL talent. Those can be used to trade from a position of strenght to a position of weakness, or bundle a couple of them of to get a better talent.
Think Nash to NYR, Seguin to DAL, Gaborik to CBJ, both Carter trades, M. Richards to LAK, B. Richards to DAL, Kessel to PIT. There will always be some very good players that are not to old, but in the end do not fit a teams
timeline.

 

[Beacon]

Watch panarin put on a clinic for the next month and everyone’s tune change

Literally zero people dont want him because hes not good. The talent is obvious. The issue is that this team isnt ready to start signing UFAs, who ALWAYS get crazy contracts because to sign a star, you need the other 30 GMs to say that the amount you offered is so crazy, they'd rather give up a ton of assets in a trade than pay that kind of contract.