Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXII

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah, the key is finding an idiot who is sure he's making the playoffs and then fails miserably.

Unfortunately, the Sens already went down that path.

As did the Flames.

 

[Drew4u]

They have exactly one player I'd be interested in trading Kreider for and they're not going to trade him for anything.

Chia is a space cadet, sell him on any one of our other players.

I'd trade Kreider for Draisatl easily.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd trade Kreider for Draisatl easily.

You're insane.

Look at his production with out McDavid and then peep his contract.

 

[Edge]

As did the Flames.

So the real key is not so much finding someone who has a high pick this year, but someone who doesn't expect to have one in 2020.

That's where the "investment properties" are right now.

No one with a likely lottery pick is looking to trade it, especially after Carolina's luck last year.

But the GM who thinks they're playoff bound in 2020? That's a different story.

 

[Ori]

I think we should try to keep Kreider for now - he talk russian fluid concernin our new russian prospect in the next year training camp. And when he plays his physical game he is one of the best in the league with his speed, but how long will he keep his speed? Grabner is still fast in consider he is 31 though.

 

[Thirty One]

I doubt the Devils would move him, but Taylor Hall would fit the Oilers perfectly.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

You don't trade arguably your best asset (Kreider) to a GM who is desperate like Chia unless he massively overpays which frankly doesn't even seem possible because of his limited assets of interest.

The play is to dangle Vesey (having a "good" year), Zucc (60 point guy), Buchnevich (all the potential) and try and get Chia to pay as he would for a Kreider for one of those guys.


I think Vesey and Zuccarello could definitely be of interest to them.

 

[Mac n Gs]

No one is ever trading a pick without any protections unless they're sure they're making the playoffs. It will never happen.

Yeah, you're probably right, it's just my preference if we're dealing Kreider to EDM because of their scarcity of a prospect pool. If it's top-3 protected like you propose, what would the condition be? Would it be a condition similar to the Duchene deal where it gets deferred to an unprotected pick in the following year? I'd still want something more tangible if we're dealing Kreider.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I doubt the Devils would move him, but Taylor Hall would fit the Oilers perfectly.

And the Devils could really use an upgrade on defense like Adam Larsson.

 

[SA16]

Over the last 3 years Draisaitl has a 2.63 pts/60 with McDavid (1599 mins) and a 1.88 without McDavid (1434 mins)

1.88 pts/60 would rank 93rd in the league among forwards who have played at least 1000+ mins in that time frame. Yet he has the 14th highest cap hit among forwards.

For reference 2.63 would be 5th best after McDavid/Kucherov/Stamkos/Matthews.

He's fine on his own, but not great, and has hugely inflated stats/cap hit thanks to getting a ton of ice time per game and a lot of it with the best player in the league.

In terms of raw numbers he has 70 points in his 1600 mins with McDavid and 45 points in his 1434 minutes without.

 

[nyrage]

Gorton needs to call Edmonton and not hang up until he gets some deal done. Doesn't matter how long that call lasts. Just don't hang up after you get through. Gets lots of coffee if necessary and a porto-potty.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Kreider + Pionk for Pulju + Unprotected 1st + Klefbom

 

[Thirty One]

And the Devils could really use an upgrade on defense like Adam Larsson.

Think the Oilers would have to add a lot to make that one work...

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And the Devils could really use an upgrade on defense like Adam Larsson.

As much as I want to laugh at the Devils for having a D so bad that Larsson would actually be an upgrade...

That applies to the Rangers as well.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

No one is ever trading a pick without any protections unless they're sure they're making the playoffs. It will never happen.

I thought it was so funny that Winnipeg lottery protected their first they traded to St Louis last season

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kreider + Pionk for Pulju + Unprotected 1st + Klefbom

Add Yamamoto and another pick and maybe.

 

[Avery16]

At least we can be pretty sure that Gorton isn’t fishing up in Banff

 

[Thirty One]

At least we can be pretty sure that Gorton isn’t fishing up in Banff

I'm sure he has activities he enjoys as well.

 

[Lion Hound]

You don't trade arguably your best asset (Kreider) to a GM who is desperate like Chia unless he massively overpays which frankly doesn't even seem possible because of his limited assets of interest.

The play is to dangle Vesey (having a "good" year), Zucc (60 point guy), Buchnevich (all the potential) and try and get Chia to pay as he would for a Kreider for one of those guys.


I think Vesey and Zuccarello could definitely be of interest to them.

Jimmy can join his brother Nolan in Edmonton!

 

[Gardner McKay]

Kreider + Pionk for Pulju + Unprotected 1st + Klefbom

Puljujarvi is bad. An unprotected first means nothing when Kreider helps Edmonton cruise to the playoffs. So a mid to late 1st + Klefbom for Kreider?

This guy says no thanks.

 

[Tawnos]

I thought it was so funny that Winnipeg lottery protected their first they traded to St Louis last season

Probably a smart move to do that by default.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Puljujarvi is bad. An unprotected first means nothing when Kreider helps Edmonton cruise to the playoffs. So a mid to late 1st + Klefbom for Kreider?

This guy says no thanks.

I have no interest in a Kreider trade to Edmonton.

 

[Tawnos]

Yeah, you're probably right, it's just my preference if we're dealing Kreider to EDM because of their scarcity of a prospect pool. If it's top-3 protected like you propose, what would the condition be? Would it be a condition similar to the Duchene deal where it gets deferred to an unprotected pick in the following year? I'd still want something more tangible if we're dealing Kreider.

Yes... basically, it's more that Edmonton would have the option of keeping their 1st rounder this year if, and only if, it falls in the top-3. If it does, and they opt to keep it, then the 2020 1st goes to the Rangers unprotected. That's what happened in Ottawa. They opted to keep their 4OA last year, forfeiting the 2019 pick no matter where it falls.

 

[Fitzy]

Ethan Bear intrigues me in a potential return.

We can lead the league in small right handed blueliners.

 

[NYR Viper]

Cody McLeod for Zack Kassian is a deal I’d do. Saves Edmonton just over a million on the cap. Kassian is a better player than McLeod.

I’d take Talbot off their hands for the remainder of this season. Get the deal done soon and wait for a playoff teams goalie to get hurt. Trade him at the deadline e with half retained. Teams will jump at that once Benny gets him right