Speculation: Roster Building Thread LVII: On to Arbitration & the 2nd Buyout Window

[mas0764]

I was mostly referring to your posts but had seen other nuggets in here towards it. I just don't see what I keep hearing about Seattle doing much for the Cap that we haven't seen already. Your original argument of not having to worry about the future of our payroll structure because the Cap will go up (you originally were saying $50 million in Cap space) was very much based around, propped up by or whatever way else to articulate it, the Seattle team helping increase the Cap.

I have no doubt the TV deal, especially the right one, will be beneficial towards the Cap. Let's just wait and see what that actual deal is before projection $50 million in cap space. I'm not saying the Cap is going down so I don't really need to provide a burden of proof. What I'm saying though is, outside of the TV contract, anyone mentioning Seattle as a reason (really at all in my opinion) is self-serving. I'm not trying to attack you or anyone else but it seems like when people ignore a primarily similar (and maybe stronger) scenario that just happened, they're doing it to make their point look better.

I'm not sure how anything short of Seattle winning a Cup it has a drastic effect over what the Cap increases to vs the effect Vegas had. Which was already accounted for when you originally had worked out the 4 year increase of 11.2%.

We will have $35m+ in cap space not even really projecting any increase from a TV deal that will double or more the current TV deal.

We can say “wait and see” but we have someone in here telling us we don’t have enough money now thanks to Panarin. Projection is necessary in this debate.

Once you factor in that the increase will be more because of the TV deal after year 3, we could start seeing that amount of space by year 4-5. Maybe “$50m” was overselling it but it was more about the point than being exactly numerically correct: it will be tons. I would probably bet on upwards of $40 million by year 4.

Again, assuming no other big, long term FA signings between now and then.

 

[haveandare]

Because Shipachyov was never a player who was carrying his line. Gusev flatout dominated at every level so far, even the KHL, Worlds and Olympics

Fair enough. I still don't think it's wise to trade a proven NHL player for a guy who has 0 NHL games and wants to start at $4M

 

[mas0764]

Can’t see a scenario where the Rangers can clear enough space for McDavid until Lundqvist/Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk are off the books.

If you are asking what value would we be willing to give up, that’s one thing, but even trading the pieces Edmonton would want - our young stars on ELCs - we would never clear enough cap space to make it happen.

Which is fine with me since the chance of this being something Edmonton wanted to do is so remote.

 

[SA16]

Lol if McDavid wants to be traded there are no untouchables unless he says he will only play here and will sit out if not dealt.

 

[Gospel of Prospal]

Lol if McDavid wants to be traded there are no untouchables unless he says he will only play here and will sit out if not dealt.

I would think Kakko is untouchable. And yes, I realize how good McDavid is.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Fair enough. I still don't think it's wise to trade a proven NHL player for a guy who has 0 NHL games and wants to start at $4M

Well, according to The Athletic, the asking price is a 2nd round pick + a B-prospect.

2nd + Howden
2nd + Hajek
2nd + Lindgren
2nd + Rykov
2nd + Lias?
2nd + Chytil?

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

You might be able to clear the money if you send them Skjei or Mika.

 

[SA16]

I would think Kakko is untouchable. And yes, I realize how good McDavid is.

I don't think so. Especially if this is a year or two down the line when Kakko's ELC is nearly up.

 

[Irishguy42]

Buch definitely leaves me wanting more too often but he's also 3 years younger and a proven NHL player. What's to suggest Gusev isn't a Shipachyov type scenario?

Ship is a good player though. He just got absolute shit minutes and treated poorly.

 

[I Eat Crow]

The Rangers can definitely afford McDavid in 2021 after Lundqvist and the three S's on defense are off the books.

Proposed it before, but Edmonton will take Chytil, Andersson, Nils Lundkvist, Joey Keane, and our 2021 1st for McDavid, and they will like it.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would it be that outlandish if Gorton is attempting to work out sign and trades for Kreider and/or Namestnikov?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Would it be that outlandish if Gorton is attempting to work out sign and trades for Kreider and/or Namestnikov?

When was the last sign and trade in the NHL?

 

[NYR Viper]

When was the last sign and trade in the NHL?

Stone?

 

[haveandare]

Well, according to The Athletic, the asking price is a 2nd round pick + a B-prospect.

2nd + Howden
2nd + Hajek
2nd + Lindgren
2nd + Rykov
2nd + Lias?
2nd + Chytil?

Imo Lindgren is the weakest of that bunch by a lot, not really the same tier of player as the others in my eyes. Also, we'd have to move that to get him and then make another $4m of cap space in a year where we seemingly can't even move a great player like Kreider for needed cap space without getting kicked in the pants.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Imo Lindgren is the weakest of that bunch by a lot, not really the same tier of player as the others in my eyes. Also, we'd have to move that to get him and then make another $4m of cap space in a year where we seemingly can't even move a great player like Kreider for needed cap space without getting kicked in the pants.

I don't think this is true.

But OTOH, all of those deals are quite aa bit to give up for an unproven player who can just bolt to the KHL if he doesn't like whats going on here.

 

[True Blue]

I'm starting to come around to the reality that Smith is bought out and Shatty starts here. Fox is no guarentee to start here. Maybe an injury opens up an opportunity, maybe he plays up his value.

I'm not going to argue ability, merit or what's right. But I think people aren't paying attention if they believe Staal and Shattenkirk are jettisoned before anyone proves to Quinn they can handle regular minutes. Quinn's perspective matters, not HF boards.

I actually will take it a step further and state that Smith is also in the starting line up on opening night. On the 4th line.

 

[haveandare]

I don't think this is true.

But OTOH, all of those deals are quite aa bit to give up for an unproven player who can just bolt to the KHL if he doesn't like whats going on here.

Yeah, I could be reading the situation wrong with Kreider admittedly.

I'd think they'd like to clear the space to sign Trouba, Lemeuix, Buch etc ASAP so it's not all being figured out too close to camp. Trouba can wait I guess, but with his agent I'd rather just get it done and not give them more time and leverage.

Could be that they'd like to try to keep Kreider and they're trying to see what the options to move any of the albatross D-men are before they fully commit to moving CK. Hard to tell I guess. It does seem like cap space is at more of a premium than it's been in some time though.

 

[NYR Viper]

Does this say 1 year $1m deal? For Labanc?

 

[EpicDing]

Does this say 1 year $1m deal? For Labanc?

WOW, really betting on himself there

 

[Boris Zubov]

Does this say 1 year $1m deal? For Labanc?

That seems really low. Why would LaBanc agree to that?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Stone?

that was trade and sign

 

[NYR Viper]

that was trade and sign

Yeah, but it'snot like there weren't conversations that were had about what he wanted. The deal was done in lie 5 minutes.

 

[NYR Viper]

That seems really low. Why would LaBanc agree to that?

I have no idea? 56 points last year... $1m?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Doing his team a solid by trying to give them more space to keep the band together for at least one more year.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I have no idea? 56 points last year... $1m?

Clearly he needs a new agent.