Salary Cap: Roster-Building Pt. XX!| (Fun Title Here)| Fleury Proposal Here

[ColePens]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

2016-17 salary ceiling​

​

​

|

73,000,000​

​

​

Pens' projected spending |

76,174,166​

Approx. LTIR cushion |

3,750,000​

Approx. cap space |

575,834​

PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

2018-19​

Evgeni Malkin|

C​

|

30​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

Sidney Crosby|

C​

|

28​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

Phil Kessel|

RW​

|

28​

|

6,800,000​

|

6,800,000​

|

6,800,000​

Patric Hornqvist|

RW​

|

29​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

|

UFA​

Carl Hagelin|

LW​

|

27​

|

4,000,000​

|

4,000,000​

|

4,000,000​

Chris Kunitz|

LW​

|

36​

|

3,850,000​

|

UFA​

Eric Fehr|

RW​

|

30​

|

2,000,000​

|

2,000,000​

|

UFA​

Nick Bonino|

C​

|

28​

|

1,900,000​

|

UFA​

Matt Cullen|

C​

|

39​

|

1,000,000​

|

UFA​

Conor Sheary|

LW​

|

24​

|

667,500​

|

RFA​

Bryan Rust|

RW​

|

24​

|

640,000​

|

640,000​

|

RFA​

Scott Wilson|

LW​

|

24​

|

625,000​

|

625,000​

|

RFA​

Tom Kuhnhackl|

LW​

|

24​

|

625,000​

|

625,000​

|

RFA​

Tom Sestito|

LW​

|

28​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Defense.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

.2018-19​

Kris Letang|

D​

|

29​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

Olli Maatta|

D​

|

21​

|

4,083,333​

|

4,083,333​

|

4,083,333​

Trevor Daley|

D​

|

32​

|

3,300,000​

|

UFA​

Ian Cole|

D​

|

27​

|

2,100,000​

|

2,100,000​

|

UFA​

Justin Schultz|

D​

|

26​

|

1,400,000​

|

RFA​

Brian Dumoulin|

D​

|

24​

|

800,000​

|

RFA​

Steve Oleksy|

D​

|

30​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Goalie............,.......​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

.2018-19​

Marc-Andre Fleury|

G​

|

31​

|

5,750,000​

|

5,750,000​

|

5,750,000​

Matt Murray|

G​

|

22​

|

620,000​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

|

RFA​

Injured reserve.....​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

.2018-19​

Pascal Dupuis|

RW​

|

37​

|

3,750,000​

|

UFA​

Derrick Pouliot|

D​

|

22​

|

863,333​

|

RFA​

Retained salary.....​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

.2018-19​

Rob Scuderi|

D​

|

37​

|

1,125,000​

WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

2018-19​

Thomas Di Pauli|

C​

|

22​

|

742,500​

|

742,500​

|

RFA​

Jake Guentzel|

LW​

|

21​

|

734,167​

|

734,167​

|

734,167​

Teddy Blueger|

C​

|

21​

|

705,000​

|

705,000​

|

RFA​

Oskar Sundqvist|

C​

|

22​

|

700,833​

|

RFA​

Dominik Simon|

C​

|

21​

|

692,500​

|

692,500​

|

RFA​

Josh Archibald|

RW​

|

23​

|

659,167​

|

RFA​

Carter Rowney|

RW​

|

26​

|

612,500​

|

612,500​

|

UFA​

Jean-Sebastien Dea|

C​

|

22​

|

585,000​

|

RFA​

Kevin Porter|

C​

|

30​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Garrett Wilson|

LW​

|

25​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Danny Kristo|

RW​

|

26​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Defense...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

2018-19​

Ethan Prow|

D​

|

23​

|

730,000​

|

730,000​

|

RFA​

Lukas Bengtsson|

D​

|

22​

|

705,000​

|

705,000​

|

RFA​

David Warsofsky|

D​

|

26​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Chad Ruhwedel|

D​

|

26​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Cameron Gaunce|

D​

|

26​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Stuart Percy|

D​

|

23​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Tim Erixon|

D​

|

25​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Goalie..................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

2018-19​

Sean Maguire|

G​

|

23​

|

705,000​

|

705,000​

|

RFA​

Tristan Jarry|

G​

|

21​

|

589,167​

|

589,167​

|

RFA​

SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team​

|

Contract​

Daniel Sprong|

F​

|

19​

|

Charlottetown (QMJHL)​

|

2 years, $692,500 per​

UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

​

​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team (League)​

Niclas Almari|

D​

|

18​

|HPK (Liiga)

Anthony Angello|

F​

|

20​

|Cornell (ECAC)

Dane Birks|

D​

|

20​

|Michigan Tech (WCHA)

Kasper Bjorkqvist|

F​

|

18​

|Providence (HEA)

Blaine Byron|

F​

|

21​

|Maine (HEA)

Filip Gustavsson|

G​

|

18​

|Luleå HF (SHL)

Connor Hall|

D​

|

18​

|Kitchener (OHL)

Ryan Jones|

D​

|

20​

|Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)

Troy Josephs|

F​

|

22​

|Clarkson (ECAC)

Sam Lafferty|

F​

|

21​

|Brown (ECAC)

Joe Masonius|

D​

|

19​

|Connecticut (HEA)

Nikita Pavlychev|

F​

|

19​

|Penn State (B1G)

Alexander Pechurskiy|

G​

|

26​

|Amur Khabarovsk (KHL)

Jeff Taylor|

D​

|

22​

|Union (ECAC)

Frederik Tiffels|

F​

|

21​

|Western Michigan (NCHC)

Dominik Uher|

C​

|

23​

|HC Sparta Praha (ELH)

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[CanadianPensFan1]

Nothing happening with Hamilton.

Empoleon and I had a lovely discussion with some flames fans and apparently:

Elliott is just as good, or better, than maf

And

Maatta's skating sucks so bad thay he would play on the 3rd pair in Calgary.

Deep.

 

[mpp9]

Hamilton's playing on their bottom pairing. Soooo......

 

[Empoleon8771]

Nothing happening with Hamilton.

Empoleon and I had a lovely discussion with some flames fans and apparently:

Elliott is just as good, or better, than maf

And

Maatta's skating sucks so bad thay he would play on the 3rd pair in Calgary.

Deep.

That wasn't even the problems I had with them, somehow I don't pay attention to any hockey outside of Pittsburgh because I dare to say that Murray and Maatta for Hamilton and Elliott is awful for Pittsburgh and the idea that GMs go out of their way to screw over each other is baseless

But yeah, that was a mess. Back to more reasonable discussions, I wonder if the Pens would consider moving Fehr during the season too. Sundqvist is having an extremely solid start to the season in WBS, he has already matched his goal output from last year in a third of the games. I don't know how much Fehr is needed when the Pens have Kuhnhackl, Cullen, Bonino and Hagelin who are regular PKers and Sundqvist who is a regular PKer with WBS. I also think they should start grooming Rust for PK duties, I think his speed would make him very effective on the PK.

 

[Brandinho]

That wasn't even the problems I had with them, somehow I don't pay attention to any hockey outside of Pittsburgh because I dare to say that Murray and Maatta for Hamilton and Elliott is awful for Pittsburgh and the idea that GMs go out of their way to screw over each other is baseless

But yeah, that was a mess. Back to more reasonable discussions, I wonder if the Pens would consider moving Fehr during the season too. Sundqvist is having an extremely solid start to the season in WBS, he has already matched his goal output from last year in a third of the games. I don't know how much Fehr is needed when the Pens have Kuhnhackl, Cullen, Bonino and Hagelin who are regular PKers and Sundqvist who is a regular PKer with WBS. I also think they should start grooming Rust for PK duties, I think his speed would make him very effective on the PK.

We have other solid PKers, but Fehr is head and shoulders above the rest, save perhaps Cullen. I don't think that Sundqvist should be called up just because he's starting to show some offensive skill, if anything I think that's a stronger incentive to leave him in WBS. Let him nurture that aspect of his game, he isn't needed in the NHL and he's a significant downgrade from Fehr right now.

 

[ColePens]

To answer RRP's question in the last thread.

Your typical majority of Pens fan (not diehards) are those who watch 20-50 games a year, a lot of 'em at the bar, and the think the following things:
- Fleury is still the better goalie than Murray
- MAF could easily have won the Cup last year w/ the Pens; it wasn't because Murray played well
- Craig Adams was a great 4th liner (dead serious)
- Kunitz is the heart and soul of the Pens; which used to be Dupuis when he was healthy.
- Our powerplay just simply needs to shoot more; has nothing to do with movement
- Bylsma was a great coach
- Dumo is an okay stay at home defender, but no Brooks Orpik
- Sid/Kessel should be playing together every game. Hornqvist is just a 3rd line grinder.

 

[Riptide]

But yeah, that was a mess. Back to more reasonable discussions, I wonder if the Pens would consider moving Fehr during the season too. Sundqvist is having an extremely solid start to the season in WBS, he has already matched his goal output from last year in a third of the games. I don't know how much Fehr is needed when the Pens have Kuhnhackl, Cullen, Bonino and Hagelin who are regular PKers and Sundqvist who is a regular PKer with WBS. I also think they should start grooming Rust for PK duties, I think his speed would make him very effective on the PK.

Unless there was a deal out there that required Fehr's 2m in cap space, the odds of that happening would be pretty slim.

 

[mpp9]

I like having Fehr around because he can score a random awesome goal out of nowhere. One of the best shots on the team.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Nothing happening with Hamilton.

Empoleon and I had a lovely discussion with some flames fans and apparently:

Elliott is just as good, or better, than maf

And

Maatta's skating sucks so bad thay he would play on the 3rd pair in Calgary.

Deep.

Hamilton's playing on their bottom pairing. Soooo......

Those fans in that trade forum thread for PGH/CGY deserve Brian Elliott. I am going to love seeing that team drown yet again because of terrible goaltending. That one guy is convinced it's the team and not Brian Elliott or that he at least is a part of the problem.

Could you imagine if the Penguins only allowed 25 shots against a game? Both Johnson and Elliott face 25 shots against a game on average and are below 900 for SV% and Johnson is out playing B.E.

Fleury has had a mediocre start sure, but a .910 SV% is at least showing the guy is going to rebound into his regular season self, even if Murray is better, it has no bearing on the fact that MAF is a #1 that can handle the workload that Calgary has not been able to fix since Kipper said adios.

 

[mpp9]

So who makes sense as a Kunitz replacement for next season? You need another net presence aside from PH. Kuhn seems like he's going to settle in as a 4th liner. Wilson doesn't have the strength for it yet.

Does Sundqvist play net front at all in WBS?

 

[NMK11]

To answer RRP's question in the last thread.

Your typical majority of Pens fan (not diehards) are those who watch 20-50 games a year, a lot of 'em at the bar, and the think the following things:
- Fleury is still the better goalie than Murray
- MAF could easily have won the Cup last year w/ the Pens; it wasn't because Murray played well
- Craig Adams was a great 4th liner (dead serious)
- Kunitz is the heart and soul of the Pens; which used to be Dupuis when he was healthy.
- Our powerplay just simply needs to shoot more; has nothing to do with movement
- Bylsma was a great coach
- Dumo is an okay stay at home defender, but no Brooks Orpik
- Sid/Kessel should be playing together every game. Hornqvist is just a 3rd line grinder.

Most of what you said makes me shudder, except for the bold. Kinda like Kunitz, I think people forget how good prime Orpik was. Dumo will most definitely be better and played great last post season, but I dont know if Id say hes had a higher peak...yet.

 

[UnrealMachine]

I like having Fehr around because he can score a random awesome goal out of nowhere. One of the best shots on the team.

Fehr was a 37 point per 82 game player before coming to the Pens. As a Penguin, he's barely a 20-point player. He's on pace for 16 points this season.

 

[Gurglesons]

Fehr was a 37 point per 82 game player before coming to the Pens. As a Penguin, he's barely a 20-point player. He's on pace for 16 points this season.

Should Fehr be playing above Kessel, Hornqvist, or Rust? No. Should Fehr be playing above Bonino, Malkin, Crosby? No. When he was a 37 point player he was a third liner. He is a luxury fourth liner and it rules that we can afford to have him and anyone thinking trading him unless he is an add on in terms of cap in a trade is being so stupid. Fehr could easily be our third line center if we decided to let Bones and Cullen walk.

He is the antithesis of Craig Adams.

 

[Ogrezilla]

yeah I'm liking Fehr this year. Its also always good to have an extra center in the lineup.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

So who makes sense as a Kunitz replacement for next season? You need another net presence aside from PH. Kuhn seems like he's going to settle in as a 4th liner. Wilson doesn't have the strength for it yet.

Does Sundqvist play net front at all in WBS?

I'm saying this about Sundqvist below for next year per the replace Kunitz question.

Sundqvist will be a 4th line NHL player. Highly likely nothing more. The guy has too little offensive skill to be considered a top 6 replacement player at this point. He's got some size on the boards but really nothing there at the moment for the NHL. The guys you are looking for are Guentzel and hopefully Sprong for next year in the replace Kunitz campaign.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

Fehr was a 37 point per 82 game player before coming to the Pens. As a Penguin, he's barely a 20-point player. He's on pace for 16 points this season.

Fehr got a lot of top 9 time on an offensive team. Fehr spent 55% of his time as the 2nd line C that year. He also spent 12% of his time as a winger with Ovy and Backstrom. Context of his points helps.

Fehr is a 4th liner on the Pens that can do some quick spot duty on a top 9 line.

 

[Night Shift]

I think people forget Fehr was a penguin killer (as was Haglin) id rather keep these guys for the playoffs and especially Bonino. Who cares if they cruise control till post season.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I think people forget Fehr was a penguin killer (as was Haglin) id rather keep these guys for the playoffs and especially Bonino. Who cares if they cruise control till post season.

Fehr has been the most effective of the three so far imo. Obviously, he has a smaller role so it's not a fair comparison, but still.

 

[Rufus]

So who makes sense as a Kunitz replacement for next season? You need another net presence aside from PH. Kuhn seems like he's going to settle in as a 4th liner. Wilson doesn't have the strength for it yet.

Does Sundqvist play net front at all in WBS?

Winnik is a free agent after this year

 

[Gurglesons]

Winnik is a free agent after this year

Seriously realized the Caps weren't going anywhere when they acquired him last year.

I made a post on their forum about it. The guy absolutely sucks.

 

[Empoleon8771]

So who makes sense as a Kunitz replacement for next season? You need another net presence aside from PH. Kuhn seems like he's going to settle in as a 4th liner. Wilson doesn't have the strength for it yet.

Does Sundqvist play net front at all in WBS?

Is no one an acceptable option? I want the Pens forward group for next year to be:

Sheary-Crosby-Hornqvist
Hagelin-Malkin-Kessel
Guentzel-Fehr-Sprong
Kuhnhackl-Sundqvist-Rust

 

[mpp9]

My question is who stands in front of the net if PH goes down? I don't think we have an internal replacement. Wilson is too weak and Kuhn is a 4th liner.

 

[Empoleon8771]

My question is who stands in front of the net if PH goes down? I don't think we have an internal replacement. Wilson is too weak and Kuhn is a 4th liner.

I'd advocate Fehr, Sundqvist or Kuhnhackl if Hornqvist goes down (or maybe even throwing money at someone like Hanzal in free agency). It's not like Kunitz is great in front of the net at this point either, you gotta remember that. If Hornqvist is out for the year, I'd just look to fill his spot with a trade. Otherwise, I don't think it's a huge issue, especially not big enough to justify re-signing Kunitz.

Actually, thinking about it, a Guentzel-Hanzal-Sprong line would be pretty awesome.

 

[Sideline]

My question is who stands in front of the net if PH goes down? I don't think we have an internal replacement. Wilson is too weak and Kuhn is a 4th liner.

I don't mind Kuhn as a stop gap guy infront of the net. His weakness is carrying the puck. Once he's in tight he knows what to do.

 

[Gurglesons]

My question is who stands in front of the net if PH goes down? I don't think we have an internal replacement. Wilson is too weak and Kuhn is a 4th liner.

I mean that is the issue with Kunitz right now. None of the kids have shown they are as productive in actual points as Kunitz. They haven't had very much of a chance, but by running that roster next year we are basically saying that we are okay finishing as a fringe playoff team if our youth doesn't pan out.