Music: Rock and Roll hall of fame 2022 Priest, Parton, Ritchie, Benatar, Duran,

[The Macho King]

Is Iron Maiden in? Honestly don't know or care - just a curiousity.

 

[tarheelhockey]

These sort of nominations are an acknowledgement that something is resonating with the public even if the committee themselves aren't quite grasping it. So I'm sympathetic to the notion that the RRHOF don't really get rap/hip-hop on any meaningful level. Join the club. They don't get metal. They don't get prog rock. They don't get country. They barely acknowledge the existence of electronic music of any sort - look how long it took Kraftwerk to get in. All that stuff exists outside of their narrow scope.

This is why it's so strange that they've decided to wander outside the genre that their institution is named after and attempt to become this all-encompassing (but not really) music hall of fame.

It would be like if the Hockey Hall of Fame started inducting bandy players, then curling, then figure skating. But didn't change the induction committee.

 

[Cas]

This is why it's so strange that they've decided to wander outside the genre that their institution is named after and attempt to become this all-encompassing (but not really) music hall of fame.

It would be like if the Hockey Hall of Fame started inducting bandy players, then curling, then figure skating. But didn't change the induction committee.

Money. They need to induct popularly relevant musicians or their revenue stream atrophies, and the music landscape has changed.

 

[Ceremony]

Why do people care about this?

 

[DaaaaB's]

Is Iron Maiden in? Honestly don't know or care - just a curiousity.

They're not.

Why do people care about this?

I don't think anyone really does care. It's been a joke for a long time now.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Is the induction of Run-DMC, 2Pac and Public Enemy into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame the equivalent to inducting Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, and Joe Montana into the Hockey Hall of Fame?

 

[YooperTransplant]

Is the induction of Run-DMC, 2Pac and Public Enemy into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame the equivalent to inducting Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, and Joe Montana into the Hockey Hall of Fame?

To answer your question with my opinion, no.

I have come around to the idea of “Rock & Roll” is an umbrella term encompassing many genres, blues, soul, surf, Motown, funk, prog, metal, etc. However, too many people lock onto what they like as the definition of Rock & Roll rather than acknowledging that music—at times good music—exists beyond their narrow pallet of choice and therefore also qualifies for inclusion to the Hall.

While Rap and Hip Hop are not my preferred music (as a musician I prefer actual people with instruments to be involved with the performance, so most current pop music also falls into my personal irritation zone) I absolutely think that Hip Hop artists, and their creative use of sampled tracks, qualify as “Rock & Roll”. Is Hip Hop “Rock” like The Rolling Stones or The Who? No, but neither are The Supremes. Is Hip Hop "Rock & Roll"? Absolutely, yes. And, if a Hip Hop artist is very good, they should be in the Hall.

However, I accept that others may not share my opinion...even if they are wrong.

 

[Satans Hockey]

Like others have stated here already and elsewhere over the years, just change the name to the music hall of fame and it's problem solved.

 

[93gilmour93]

Judas Priest would be my vote off that list this year

 

[Hasbro]

I will not have Metallica slander in here. Thank you.

They should have never cut their hair!

 

[Hasbro]

When can we expect Mayhem to be inducted into the RRHoF

Welcome in Rednex!

 

[Behn Wilson]

This is more the Rolling Stone Magazine Music Hall of Fame then a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

Out of this year's usual lame list the only act I care about is Judas Priest, though I would like to see Pat Benatar get in too. The lack of hard rock and metal is sad, Maiden, Priest, and Motorhead should have been no brainers not to mention classic hard rock bands like Thin Lizzy, UFO, to name a few. Priest looks locked into 6th on the fan voting, that is probably not a good sign.

 

[Roo Returns]

I'm a fan of Deftones but there's quite a few metal bands who are older and were more successful that aren't in yet. I'd be really surprised if they ever get in.

They fit all the criteria and have actually gotten better since they started. For their genre/era they've become the elder statesman.

What other metal bands are you referring to? Yes Judas Priest should be in too.

 

[DaaaaB's]

They fit all the criteria and have actually gotten better since they started. For their genre/era they've become the elder statesman.

What other metal bands are you referring to? Yes Judas Priest should be in too.

Pantera, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Slayer, Motorhead, Anthrax, Sepultura. I'd love to see Deftones get in but if those bands can't get in then I don't see it happening.

 

[Jumptheshark]

One name some are trying to get onto next years list is Suzi Quatro. Now 80% of this board has no idea who she is, 15% know her from Happy Days and the other 5% of us know she was a rocker from the 70's that inspired Lita Ford and Joan Jett to become rockers.

She was and is very popular here in the UK and Europe and Australlia. Bubblegum music--but how many woman were leaders of rock bands in the early 70's? Some think she should be inducted under the "influence" catagory.

 

[Roo Returns]

Pantera, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Slayer, Motorhead, Anthrax, Sepultura. I'd love to see Deftones get in but if those bands can't get in then I don't see it happening.

Good list and let's go through them and if they deserve to get in/why they may not.

1. Pantera: Do they deserve to get in? Yes, based on being the first breakthrough thrash band out of the big four. They were huge from 92-96. Why they won't get in: Phil Anselmo. I don't need to say much more.

2. Iron Maiden: Do they deserve to get in? Yes. Why they won't get in: No valid reasons. They check all the critera.

3. Megadeth: Do they deserve to get in? Yes Why they won't get in: Dave Mustaine's political views, Dave Eleffson's recent online incident, most of the guys in the band don't like each other (Chris Poland) or have moved on (Marty Friedman).

4. Slayer: Do they deserve to get in? Yes. Why they won't: The RNRHOF is going to manipulate stats and hold overall album sales against them.

5. Motorhead Do they deserve to get in? I don't think so. Why they won't: Honestly they were a cult band most of their career. Other than Ace of Spades and Triple H's theme, how many hits did they have? They put out a lot of interesting music but unless you're a hardcore, not mainstream. Lemmy also wasn't this loveable guy that he's made out to be. That gets overlooked.

6. Anthrax Do they deserve to get in? Debatable. Why they won't: They were always very clearly number four of the big four and by a wide margin. You can just as easily make a case that they should be in the Hall of Very Good as opposed to the Hall of Fame. I remember The Sound of White Noise and all the hits from that era, but it seems to have been forgotten. How many average rock fans can name their hits from 83-92?

7. Sepultura Do they deserve to get in? No Reasons they won't: Great band and a great legacy but besides Roots and a little Chaos AD before, they didn't dabble in the mainstream enough. Plus there are those purists who "blame" Roots for ushering in nu metal. You and I can laugh about that but unfortunately nu metal is very polarizing.

 

[Primary Assist]

I had this whole long-winded and sanctimonious post drawn up arguing for Johnny Cash's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame case ready to go.

Is he country? Sure. Is country rock and roll? No. But did The Man in Black live a rock and roll lifestyle that would leave even Keith Richards and Keith Moon with their Keith jaws on the floor? Hell freaking yes.

One of his breakout hits, Folsom Prison Blues, deviated ever so slightly from the Rockabilly subgenre and the driving, train like percussion and bassline from his band are quintessential rock and roll. I don't think it gets any more rock and roll than releasing one of the most important albums in American history live from a freaking prison! Hell, in Get Rhythm, the man himself implored us to get a rock and roll feeling in our bones!

And then there's the fact that he finds himself somewhere in the middle of Elvis Presley, the King of Rock and Roll, and Bob Dylan, a man who won the Nobel Prize for literature for rocking out. And he did it while possessing one of the most authoritative voices ever heard on the radio!

But then I looked it up and he was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 30 years ago, so there goes my post.

Happy belated birthday to the Man in Black, and may we keep listening to your music for generation after generation under our glorious Ragged Old Flag!

 

[Habsfunk]

One name some are trying to get onto next years list is Suzi Quatro. Now 80% of this board has no idea who she is, 15% know her from Happy Days and the other 5% of us know she was a rocker from the 70's that inspired Lita Ford and Joan Jett to become rockers.

She was and is very popular here in the UK and Europe and Australlia. Bubblegum music--but how many woman were leaders of rock bands in the early 70's? Some think she should be inducted under the "influence" catagory.

I know her from the Pleasure Seekers, a great all girls 60s garage band.

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[DaaaaB's]

Good list and let's go through them and if they deserve to get in/why they may not.

1. Pantera: Do they deserve to get in? Yes, based on being the first breakthrough thrash band out of the big four. They were huge from 92-96. Why they won't get in: Phil Anselmo. I don't need to say much more.

2. Iron Maiden: Do they deserve to get in? Yes. Why they won't get in: No valid reasons. They check all the critera.

3. Megadeth: Do they deserve to get in? Yes Why they won't get in: Dave Mustaine's political views, Dave Eleffson's recent online incident, most of the guys in the band don't like each other (Chris Poland) or have moved on (Marty Friedman).

4. Slayer: Do they deserve to get in? Yes. Why they won't: The RNRHOF is going to manipulate stats and hold overall album sales against them.

5. Motorhead Do they deserve to get in? I don't think so. Why they won't: Honestly they were a cult band most of their career. Other than Ace of Spades and Triple H's theme, how many hits did they have? They put out a lot of interesting music but unless you're a hardcore, not mainstream. Lemmy also wasn't this loveable guy that he's made out to be. That gets overlooked.

6. Anthrax Do they deserve to get in? Debatable. Why they won't: They were always very clearly number four of the big four and by a wide margin. You can just as easily make a case that they should be in the Hall of Very Good as opposed to the Hall of Fame. I remember The Sound of White Noise and all the hits from that era, but it seems to have been forgotten. How many average rock fans can name their hits from 83-92?

7. Sepultura Do they deserve to get in? No Reasons they won't: Great band and a great legacy but besides Roots and a little Chaos AD before, they didn't dabble in the mainstream enough. Plus there are those purists who "blame" Roots for ushering in nu metal. You and I can laugh about that but unfortunately nu metal is very polarizing.

I can't say that I disagree with any of this but I don't think it makes Deftones any more likely to get inducted. At least in the next decade or two. If Priest and Maiden aren't in yet then I don't see any metal band from the 90s/2000s getting in for a long time. The voters seem like they don't like metal.

Regarding Sepultura, you're probably right they won't get in due to lack of record sales but talent wise they should be. Beneath the Remains thru Roots was an amazing run of albums and they've had some good albums since Max left. Some bad ones too though.

I don't think most voters would hold the Nu Metal thing against bands if they even know what it is. Metal snobs are the ones who rip on Nu Metal. There were definitely some awful bands from that era but some great ones too. A lot of bands that get grouped into Nu Metal have very little in common as well. I don't see bands like Deftones, Slipknot, Mudvayne having much in common with Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach and Linkin Park.

 

[Terry Yake]

it's a damn shame that kate bush never experienced any sort of popularity in the US (probably because she never toured.) her first five or so albums are amazing and her impact on other female artists is pretty understated. doubt she'll ever get in but just seeing her on that list makes me happy

duran duran, eurythmics, eminem, RATM, and beck should all get in. priest deserves to be in as well but before acts like slayer or pantera? absolutely not. not like either of those bands will ever get in though

 

[YooperTransplant]

One name some are trying to get onto next years list is Suzi Quatro. Now 80% of this board has no idea who she is, 15% know her from Happy Days and the other 5% of us know she was a rocker from the 70's that inspired Lita Ford and Joan Jett to become rockers.

She was and is very popular here in the UK and Europe and Australlia. Bubblegum music--but how many woman were leaders of rock bands in the early 70's? Some think she should be inducted under the "influence" catagory.

I wholeheartedly believe Suzi Quatro should be in. Even if you ignore the non-U.S. success (and success is supposedly not a requirement for entry) her influence is undeniable. I would go as far as to suggest any young lady who has picked up an instrument to play three chords or belt her song over them owns a debt—at least indirectly—to Suzi Quatro.

Thanks for posting these, as I have not seen her in a long time. Watching those videos, I was shocked to see just how small she is. That P Bass she is using on the Top of the Pops clip is almost as tall as she is!

 

[Roo Returns]

I can't say that I disagree with any of this but I don't think it makes Deftones any more likely to get inducted. At least in the next decade or two. If Priest and Maiden aren't in yet then I don't see any metal band from the 90s/2000s getting in for a long time. The voters seem like they don't like metal.

Regarding Sepultura, you're probably right they won't get in due to lack of record sales but talent wise they should be. Beneath the Remains thru Roots was an amazing run of albums and they've had some good albums since Max left. Some bad ones too though.

I don't think most voters would hold the Nu Metal thing against bands if they even know what it is. Metal snobs are the ones who rip on Nu Metal. There were definitely some awful bands from that era but some great ones too. A lot of bands that get grouped into Nu Metal have very little in common as well. I don't see bands like Deftones, Slipknot, Mudvayne having much in common with Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach and Linkin Park.

The thing with Deftones is as you said, they're not really a nu metal band but came up around the same time and toured with a lot of those guys.

Plenty of newer bands from the 90s have made in it, including practically all the big dogs from 1991-1997 who defined the 90s sound.

Deftones to me have four things that set them apart; 1. Consistency in their recorded material (they are still putting out good to great music) 2. Album sales (three platinum and one gold) 3. Influence outside their genre (all the crazy side projects Chino is in) 4. Diversity

The fourth point some people may not care about but it's incredibly important for the RRHOF which is considered primarily a male Caucasian organization for a band that's sold millions of records, still can sell out tours, and has Latino/Asian representation playing very heavy and original music.

I think Korn also will have a shot down the line due to their consistency and putting out very solid albums even as recent as this month.

 

[Hivemind]

1. Pantera: Do they deserve to get in? Yes, based on being the first breakthrough thrash band out of the big four. They were huge from 92-96. Why they won't get in: Phil Anselmo. I don't need to say much more.

What? Pantera was never part of the "big four" and definitely weren't the first big breakthrough of thrash bands (Metallica says hello, but so do Megadeth and Slayer), and hell, they didn't even play thrash metal.

5. Motorhead Do they deserve to get in? I don't think so. Why they won't: Honestly they were a cult band most of their career. Other than Ace of Spades and Triple H's theme, how many hits did they have? They put out a lot of interesting music but unless you're a hardcore, not mainstream. Lemmy also wasn't this loveable guy that he's made out to be. That gets overlooked.

You think Pantera deserves to get in but Motorhead doesn't? Are you insane? Motorhead is one of the essential heavy metal bands that helped define the genre and was of tremendous influence and popularity. I guess they're just outside your field of view, considering you ignore songs like Overkill and Killed by Death and think their second biggest song is a wrestling intro...

 

[Hockey Outsider]

What? Pantera was never part of the "big four" and definitely weren't the first big breakthrough of thrash bands (Metallica says hello, but so do Megadeth and Slayer), and hell, they didn't even play thrash metal.




You think Pantera deserves to get in but Motorhead doesn't? Are you insane? Motorhead is one of the essential heavy metal bands that helped define the genre and was of tremendous influence and popularity. I guess they're just outside your field of view, considering you ignore songs like Overkill and Killed by Death and think their second biggest song is a wrestling intro...

Semi off-topic, but "Killed by Death" is one of my favourite music videos of all-time. Everything about the video (and song's lyrics) are so stupid and corny, they just work.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

What? Pantera was never part of the "big four" and definitely weren't the first big breakthrough of thrash bands (Metallica says hello, but so do Megadeth and Slayer), and hell, they didn't even play thrash metal.

I think he was saying they were the first thrash band outside of the Big 4 to make it big, not that they were the 1st thrash band or part of the Big 4.

And for all the "groove metal" labelling, Pantera was thrash. All groove metal really amounts to is Thrash + Texas Swing