Proposal: Ristolainen moved

[Snippit]

Member when everyone bash Nurse and wanted this guy so bad over Nurse . I laughed then and now I am laughing again . Fans of other teams don't seem to look at the players development from year to year and only look at what stage a player is at today . Nurse development has been a steady climb up the depth charts to where he is a reliable top 4 D . He also seems to improve every day . I still thin you have a PP specialist in Risto and because I see that I would offer 2nd in 2018 and 2019

Risto is still better than Nurse...

 

[Cogburn]

I'd hope Buffalo would keep him, and incorporate him and Eichel into the team's new direction.

Kane and O'Reilly will fetch some good pieces to go with the great pieces the Sabres have in place. Moving Risto (or Reinhart or Nylander) would only make sense if it was for an equal young player, and OP doesn't male a pitch like he expects one back.

 

[cupcrazyman]

Leafs offer Leivo & Bozak

 

[Patagonia]

Risto would be awesome for the young AVs or Leafs. He can play 2nd or 3rd sheltered lines to build his confidence. Not sure if the Sabres are happy with picks and prospects.

Sabres went through a sizeable rebuild, they should wait if this amounts to Dahlin they can be paired together.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Risto is still better than Nurse...

Completely different types of players. Both are at this point ideal 3/4 defenceman. Nurse needs to develop his offensive side and Risto needs to shore up his defensive game. As for value, Risto being offensive and RD gives him solid value, yet don't sell Nurse short. Defenceman with his size/skill/skating combination as pretty rare,

Being perfectly honest I'd consider moving Nurse for Risto, as we have the shutdown RD in Larsson to shelter him and eventually Klefbom is going to hopefully turn it around and with Sekera coming back it would balance the pairings.

As for the comment you replied to Risto is on par with Nurse value and I would peg him at the same value that Hamilton got from Calgary.

I'd trade a 1st + 2nd + B prospect. If the first is top 5 though wouldn't consider it.

Just for argurment sake, if Botterill agreed to our 1st, 2nd and prospect

Nurse - Larsson
Klefbom - Risto
Russell - Benning

Sekera replaces Benning when healthy

 

[thewookie1]

Completely different types of players. Both are at this point ideal 3/4 defenceman. Nurse needs to develop his offensive side and Risto needs to shore up his defensive game. As for value, Risto being offensive and RD gives him solid value, yet don't sell Nurse short. Defenceman with his size/skill/skating combination as pretty rare,

Being perfectly honest I'd consider moving Nurse for Risto, as we have the shutdown RD in Larsson to shelter him and eventually Klefbom is going to hopefully turn it around and with Sekera coming back it would balance the pairings.

As for the comment you replied to Risto is on par with Nurse value and I would peg him at the same value that Hamilton got from Calgary.

I'd trade a 1st + 2nd + B prospect. If the first is top 5 though wouldn't consider it.

Just for argurment sake, if Botterill agreed to our 1st, 2nd and prospect

Nurse - Larsson
Klefbom - Risto
Russell - Benning

Sekera replaces Benning when healthy

Doesn't help Buffalo much at all, he's our top Dman, we aren't giving him up for a potentially mid 1st round selection, a 2nd and a prospect

 

[PatrikBerglund]

This is a joke right ? Larsson is the way better D man today so why are the Oilers adding ? I would not trade Larsson alone for this guy

Probably right, but I still think that Risto holds a higher value in the league, due to his superior offence.

 

[Aladyyn]

Not interested in moving Risto at all.

 

[McSuper]

Risto is still better than Nurse...

With homer glass on maybe . Maybe if you only need a point producing D for a team but Nurse is the much better defender . And isn't that is what a defence man is suppose to do

 

[glucker]

Buffalo is going nowhere and will probably start tanking hardcore for Dahlin soon, if they haven't already started. Ristolainen is not good enough defensively to be "the guy" on an NHL team - and Buffalo is probably starting to realize this. Though, most other teams might not.

Young RH defencemen are worth more than gold in the NHL.

What would teams offer for Risto?

Buffalo doesn’t need to trade anyone to tank.

 

[glucker]

Risto and Nurse are both below average, with the potential to be more as they mature, if they have someone coaching them properly.

But this thread isn’t about nurse, it’s about Risto.

 

[Snaibberi]

This is a joke right ? Larsson is the way better D man today so why are the Oilers adding ? I would not trade Larsson alone for this guy

Another player is supposedly bad in his own end and other is crap in offence. League is full of Larsson type stay at home guys, but there are not so many offensive dmen like RR.

Only reason Larsson is compared to RR is because of that trade and Oiler fans cant say Larsson sucks because trade would be then look ridicolously laughable.

Buffalo is bad. Super bad and reason is not RR. They need few quality dmen and maybe then they start playing better. Selling RR would be a mistake, but hey lets blame young guy....

 

[UnleashRasmus]

I'd offer a swap of young RD with Ottawa

Ceci + Dzingel for Ristolainen

Ceci + Condon + pick for Ristolainen + Lehner

Buffalo gets a more steady stabilizing stay at home young RD and Ottawa takes the gamble on Rasmus because they desperately need more speed/offense from their D

Both of these proposals are atrocious. They wouldn't get you into the door and even worth a lick of listening too. Ceci is an interesting defensemen, but he's a downgrade, Dzingel is a third line already mid 20's player. Condon again solves no problems.

 

[UnleashRasmus]

Member when everyone bash Nurse and wanted this guy so bad over Nurse . I laughed then and now I am laughing again . Fans of other teams don't seem to look at the players development from year to year and only look at what stage a player is at today . Nurse development has been a steady climb up the depth charts to where he is a reliable top 4 D . He also seems to improve every day . I still thin you have a PP specialist in Risto and because I see that I would offer 2nd in 2018 and 2019

He's not anywhere close to Ristolainen. Nice thought process though.

 

[Cassano]

I remember there was a poll on the Sabres board about moving Risto for the #1 pick (Auston Matthews). The majority said no at the time, understandably.

But it's still sort of funny to look back with how both players have developed since.

 

[slappipappi]

Ristolainen is not good enough defensively to be "the guy" on an NHL team - and Buffalo is probably starting to realize this. Though, most other teams might not.

So, to summarize, Buffalo and you are the only people who know Rusty is "not the guy".

Actually, Buffalo is "probably starting to realize it", so you are ahead of "everyyyyyyyyyone".

 

[Gaunce4gm]

Gudbranson

 

[Gurilla]

Winnipeg puts in an offer in an attempt to collect as many Laine's as possible.

Vesalainen - X - Laine

X - Ristolainen

 

[WTFMAN99]

Interesting thing is a lot of people are intrigued at the potential but consensus seems to be there is a concern defensively with him etc.

 

[UnleashRasmus]

Gudbranson

Sorry we're not looking for downgrades. Next?

 

[Patagonia]

Sabres and AVs trade again!

Risto for Barrie

Both teams can work on minor details, but this works too well.

Zadorov reunited with Risto
ROR reunites with Barrie

Sabres want to win otherwise, Eichel and ROR are not wasting their youth on extending a rebuild. AVs are still a few years away and can patiently allow him to play 2nd or 3rd lines without any pressure.

 

[GuyBoucherEvilGenius]

Both of these proposals are atrocious. They wouldn't get you into the door and even worth a lick of listening too. Ceci is an interesting defensemen, but he's a downgrade, Dzingel is a third line already mid 20's player. Condon again solves no problems.

I was throwing shit against the wall and seeing what stuck.

Care to make a counter offer?

These are usually the basis for the "hockey trade" deals that are made. Two once highly thought of young guys who have stalled out in their development i.e. JVR for Luke Schenn, Eberle for Strome, Kane and Bogosian for Tyler Myers, etc.

Ceci + ____ for Risto

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Sabres and AVs trade again!

Risto for Barrie

Both teams can work on minor details, but this works too well.

Zadorov reunited with Risto
ROR reunites with Barrie

Sabres want to win otherwise, Eichel and ROR are not wasting their youth on extending a rebuild. AVs are still a few years away and can patiently allow him to play 2nd or 3rd lines without any pressure.

What a joke

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Ristolainen + Zach Redmond
for
2018 1st (unprotected) + Benning + Gryba + Yamamoto + Bear

*Redmond is there as a contract dump. Gryba is there as a small cap dump.

Seems to be accepted by Sabres fans. Seems like a loss of value on paper for the Oilers, but it'd be huge to add a player like Risto and not subtract anything big from the current roster.

Although I'd push for the 2018 1st to be protected. The condition if its becomes a top 5 pick in 2018, it becomes an unprotected 1st in 2019.

I think the poster using Hamilton as a comparable is very fair, but I think Risto will fetch more, due to the uncertainty of Hamiltons contract in Boston.

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

Yes, young RHD are worth a mint. Have you noticed how many of those the Sabres have either in the lineup or on the farm? I'll give you a minute to look.









Ok... back? Did you notice that it is an extremely short list populated by one guy with a long Finnish last name? Dealing him without it being a RHD-for-RHD type of deal doesn't really make all that much sense.

As for "tanking hard for Dahlin", they can go right ahead and be terri-****ing-ble without moving a damn player off the current roster. They don't need to strip anything out, there is so much work to be done just to get what's there working, no deals necessary.

This made me laugh!!