Confirmed with Link: RFAs & UFAs | QOs: Kucherov, Killorn, others | Marchessault to FLA (updates post #1)

[DFC]

NN was awful as the season went on last year but If he can bounce back to his rookie season, he's someone you want to keep around. He could be the perfect 7th dman behind KK, someone you can unleash when trailing or train him to become a PP specialist. When he's on, he possesses a pretty unique skillset. Only 80 NHL games played so far, it's not too late.

Yeah, Nesterov has more upside than a guy like Sustr, and experience should work out some of his flaws. I'd put him pretty even with Carle right now, but I'd rather give Nes the experience than let Carle bumble around for another year.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Yeah, Nesterov has more upside than a guy like Sustr, and experience should work out some of his flaws. I'd put him pretty even with Carle right now, but I'd rather give Nes the experience than let Carle bumble around for another year.

Can you explain to me how he has more upside than Sustr? Nesterov is a small offense first player, who's weak defensively with a whoping 0.19ppg average. Sustr is a large but none physical not really defensive or offensive player, who's average both defensively and offensively but definitely not considered offensive yet has 0.21ppg average. Not sure where Nesterov is even in the same conversation as Sustr.

 

[DFC]

Can you explain to me how he has more upside than Sustr? Nesterov is a small offense first player, who's weak defensively with a whoping 0.19ppg average. Sustr is a large but none physical not really defensive or offensive player, who's average both defensively and offensively but definitely not considered offensive yet has 0.21ppg average. Not sure where Nesterov is even in the same conversation as Sustr.

Offensive upside.

 

[Werewolf]

Can you explain to me how he has more upside than Sustr? Nesterov is a small offense first player, who's weak defensively with a whoping 0.19ppg average. Sustr is a large but none physical not really defensive or offensive player, who's average both defensively and offensively but definitely not considered offensive yet has 0.21ppg average. Not sure where Nesterov is even in the same conversation as Sustr.

Sustr is about 2.5 years older and has about 100 more NHL games played. Using your own stat of PPG put Sustr's first 84 games vs Nesterov's first 84 games and the results favor Nesterov from an offensive standpoint. Comparing PPG is also disingenuous as Sustr got more minutes p/game last year - and I know you know this. From a defensive standpoint Sustr was nuttered by the fanbase his first two years ... Nesterov is there now. A case can be made for upside ... Nesterov was bad. But he was not Sustr / Barberio bad in his first two years.

Nesterov needs play time so we can flip him ... he hopefully gets more this year and some PP time.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

Offensive upside.

last year nesterov played 57 games put up 9 points was put into position to score whenever possible except power play basically and in playoffs 9 games 1 point

sustr played 77 games had 21 points playoffs 17 games 3 point

to me they look kinda equal but the eye test?

the last 4 months of year SUSTR hands down tells me he showed more offensive potential than I FOR ONE have ever seen nesterov possess

I get we hope nesterov becomes a solid d man but I see nothing in his game that says hes anything better so far than barberio was and SUSTR? to me showed he belongs in the league and is solid number 4 guy who is learning to bring the offense

I hope im wrong but to me I wouldnt have nesterov be a six EVER good news?

point and masin both get fast tracked next year if needed and masin is gonna kick nestea down the road quick

 

[DFC]

last year nesterov played 57 games put up 9 points was put into position to score whenever possible except power play basically and in playoffs 9 games 1 point

sustr played 77 games had 21 points playoffs 17 games 3 point

to me they look kinda equal but the eye test?

the last 4 months of year SUSTR hands down tells me he showed more offensive potential than I FOR ONE have ever seen nesterov possess

I get we hope nesterov becomes a solid d man but I see nothing in his game that says hes anything better so far than barberio was and SUSTR? to me showed he belongs in the league and is solid number 4 guy who is learning to bring the offense

I hope im wrong but to me I wouldnt have nesterov be a six EVER good news?

point and masin both get fast tracked next year if needed and masin is gonna kick nestea down the road quick

Nesterov's physical tools could translate to more offense. Sustr is pretty much as good as he's going to be. Nesterov might fail to become that. I'm not sure he has a future in the NHL. But he has some tools that are valuable, and could turn into something.

Just saying, we stuck with Sustr. I'd rather stick with Nesterov than keep Carle on board.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Sustr is about 2.5 years older and has about 100 more NHL games played. Using your own stat of PPG put Sustr's first 84 games vs Nesterov's first 84 games and the results favor Nesterov from an offensive standpoint. Comparing PPG is also disingenuous as Sustr got more minutes p/game last year - and I know you know this. From a defensive standpoint Sustr was nuttered by the fanbase his first two years ... Nesterov is there now. A case can be made for upside ... Nesterov was bad. But he was not Sustr / Barberio bad in his first two years.

Nesterov needs play time so we can flip him ... he hopefully gets more this year and some PP time.

Sustr does get more minutes but no PP minutes, 6 of Nesterovs career 16 points have come on the PP. He also gets a ton of minutes late in the game when we're trailing and is basically a 4th forward because he doesn't have to worry about defense. What I'm getting at is Nesterov has been put in much better situations to succeed offensively but hasn't. Sustr isn't going to be an offensive dynamo but should be a 25 point defenseman with no PP time, that's pretty impressive while his defensive game still improves. I see no upside to Nesterov, maybe a change of scenery like Barberio is what he needs.

 

[Werewolf]

For me:

Carle rides pine as #7D and trade him for whatever at the draft next year or Brewer him. Red Wings unloaded Datsyuk's contract and even got a nice return though they went from the 16th pick to the 20th pick - I'd want Yzerman to pull something similar / better since less cap hit and you get a roster player next year. Nesterov gets the #5 job and we flip him at the trade deadline for a pick or as a sweetner similar to how we flipped Gudas. Koekkoek comes in full time after the trade deadline and secures that spot from here on out. Takes some patience on Koekkoek's part and the fan base - but to me that would be best case scenario.

 

[DFC]

For me:

Carle rides pine as #7D and trade him for whatever at the draft next year or Brewer him. Red Wings unloaded Datsyuk's contract and even got a nice return though they went from the 16th pick to the 20th pick - I'd want Yzerman to pull something similar / better since less cap hit and you get a roster player next year. Nesterov gets the #5 job and we flip him at the trade deadline for a pick or as a sweetner similar to how we flipped Gudas. Koekkoek comes in full time after the trade deadline and secures that spot from here on out. Takes some patience on Koekkoek's part and the fan base - but to me that would be best case scenario.

Carle's not the same as Datsyuk though. The wings were able to unload that contract because it doesn't cost the Coyotes real dollars, just cap dollars. Carle still costs real dollars. He's untradeable, I think. Maybe, maaaaaybe if we attach a really good prospect to him. Someone like Erne.

 

[Werewolf]

Carle's not the same as Datsyuk though. The wings were able to unload that contract because it doesn't cost the Coyotes real dollars, just cap dollars. Carle still costs real dollars. He's untradeable, I think. Maybe, maaaaaybe if we attach a really good prospect to him. Someone like Erne.

You are right...did not consider that in my expected return. The scenario I presented I'd still stick to with obvious less to no return expected at the draft for Carle. Rights to Gusev anyone? No? ...

 

[DFC]

You are right...did not consider that in my expected return. The scenario I presented I'd still stick to with obvious less to no return expected at the draft for Carle. Rights to Gusev anyone? No? ...

Not a bad idea. Especially some team trying to tank at the floor.

Carle could become the new Lindback.

 

[Sky04]

why would tampa even be remotely interested in Ladd as a UFA, our winger depth is full and we have 6m tied to a 3rd line winger in Callahan already.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

For me:

Carle rides pine as #7D and trade him for whatever at the draft next year or Brewer him. Red Wings unloaded Datsyuk's contract and even got a nice return though they went from the 16th pick to the 20th pick - I'd want Yzerman to pull something similar / better since less cap hit and you get a roster player next year. Nesterov gets the #5 job and we flip him at the trade deadline for a pick or as a sweetner similar to how we flipped Gudas. Koekkoek comes in full time after the trade deadline and secures that spot from here on out. Takes some patience on Koekkoek's part and the fan base - but to me that would be best case scenario.

i expect a TON of work from you this year

want to hear on development of masin and point and erne etc... whose on fast track what issues they have etc...

U THE MAN and crunch damn crunch shultz or his name

memory where art thou

 

[HoseEmDown]

Carle's not the same as Datsyuk though. The wings were able to unload that contract because it doesn't cost the Coyotes real dollars, just cap dollars. Carle still costs real dollars. He's untradeable, I think. Maybe, maaaaaybe if we attach a really good prospect to him. Someone like Erne.

Why Erne? He's been developed several years and will be close to ready after next year, we'll need him since he'll be cheap, rather pay in picks. We could also retain the last year probably as much as 2mil too.

 

[DFC]

Why Erne? He's been developed several years and will be close to ready after next year, we'll need him since he'll be cheap, rather pay in picks. We could also retain the last year probably as much as 2mil too.

I just mean someone around that level of prospect would probably be required to move Carle. Not saying we should/would do it. Just saying I think Carle is at that level of untradeable, if not beyond.

 

[HoseEmDown]

I just mean someone around that level of prospect would probably be required to move Carle. Not saying we should/would do it. Just saying I think Carle is at that level of untradeable, if not beyond.

This will be next offseason when he has 1 year left on his deal. Expansion will have happened so teams will have lost a player and have a bit more cap room as well as the probable increase form expansion. Carle won't be valuable but will be much less negative in value.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

Nesterov's physical tools could translate to more offense. Sustr is pretty much as good as he's going to be. Nesterov might fail to become that. I'm not sure he has a future in the NHL. But he has some tools that are valuable, and could turn into something.

Just saying, we stuck with Sustr. I'd rather stick with Nesterov than keep Carle on board.

Agreed. Nesterov was the 3rd TB defenseman in terms of individual scoring chance behind Hedman and Stralman. He had trouble finishing the job but he's much better at creating offense on his own than Sustr, as pointed by the HERO charts below who sums them up nicely in my opinion. It was a bad year overall for Nesterov but Tampa would be silly to give up on him so early. I mean Sustr was a complete mess one year ago and look now. News flash dman peaks later, way later. If Nesterov's capable to improve his defense to an average 3rd pairing level in the following year, points for will come.

 

[These Are The Days]

We should find out the other terms and conditions very soon. The other players were probably under instruction to refrain from taking their deals as they might have been changing if Stamkos left. Now that Stamkos is staying we should see some other moves made soon that could potentially change the qualifying offers.

 

[VasilyKucherov]

Some AHL stuff.

 

[These Are The Days]

Some AHL stuff.

Good luck Gudlevskis. I can't help but feel bad for him to have waited as long as he did and not gotten the job done.

 

[MrClutch86]

Bye Mike. Great guy to have had in the org, but it's time to move on. Wonder who the new Cuse captain will be.

 

[Iceman]

Any news? I'm still kinda dying here...

KOOOOOCH

 

[DFC]

Good luck Gudlevskis. I can't help but feel bad for him to have waited as long as he did and not gotten the job done.

Pretty sure they mean news that we're re-signing him.

 

[Bobby Orr's Knees]

Not a Tampa super-fan, but like the team. Has proven to be one of the most resilient and entertaining teams in the NHL. If I were Tampa, I would worry about Kucherov. Make no mistake, he is your best skater - not Stamkos. There are yahoos out there that can offer something ridiculous for him. Ideally you get Kucherov for $36m/6 - but he's worth more.

 

[Absolut]

There are yahoos out there that can offer something ridiculous for him. Ideally you get Kucherov for $36m/6 - but he's worth more.

Detroit. Desperate for young but proven talent. Toronto. Needs a uber-skilled guy to play with Matthews. Ottawa. And good god, my Rangers would sell their souls to land Kucherov (we need a Russian mentor/babysitter/good influence for Buchnevich) but don't appear to have cap space. Honestly if I am a GM and can land a talent like Kuch say 7mil / 6 yrs I would say hell with draft picks.