Speculation: RFA stars! Want the big contract Now!

[Wafflewhipper]

Players that are stars are no longer waiting or being advised by their agents to wait until they become UFA’s to get the big deal. This is the new twist we likely have all noticed happening league wide. There are reasons for this happening based on projections and adv statistics and the likelyhood of a Nhl career ending sooner based on pressure from below with advantageous cap consequences for the teams.

With this comes the question of cap restraints with good young players much earlier for management. Kind of starting to look like the teams are going to have to be protected from themselves as we seen before the salary cap was implemented.

I don’t buy the loyalties idea much any longer. So hopefully everyone knows everyone of these players is in it for the money first and foremost.

Its a new era in cap management we are seeing and attaching pressure to your teams managers to cave in on contracts is likely not a constructive way to get to your expectations of GM’s going ahead here.

Its a big shift we are seeing. Restraint from over paying could cost a player to you or win you a cup, or cost you a player and still win you a cup or cost you a cup for a losing trade.

Thats the new way anyways. Will be interesting to see what teams adapt properly.

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[supermann_98]

Edmonton screwed up everything because nobody wants to live half a year in darkness and -30C weather.

Now all RFA’s wanna be paid like the Edmonton model

 

[Its not your fault]

Players that are stars are no longer waiting or being advised by their agents to wait until they become UFA’s to get the big deal. This is the new twist we likely have all noticed happening league wide. There are reasons for this happening based on projections and adv statistics and the likelyhood of a Nhl career ending sooner based on pressure from below with advantageous cap consequences for the teams.

With this comes the question of cap restraints with good young players much earlier for management. Kind of starting to look like the teams are going to have to be protected from themselves as we seen before the salary cap was implemented.

I don’t buy the loyalties idea much any longer. So hopefully everyone knows everyone of these players is in it for the money first and foremost.

Its a new era in cap management we are seeing and attaching pressure to your teams managers to cave in on contracts is likely not a constructive way to get to your expectations of GM’s going ahead here.

Its a big shift we are seeing. Restraint from over paying could cost a player to you or win you a cup, or cost you a player and still win you a cup or cost you a cup for a losing trade.

Thats the new way anyways. Will be interesting to see what teams adapt properly.

Why the NHL expanded. Gets more sports for people that are roster filler.

 

[hotpaws]

Edmonton screwed up everything because nobody wants to live half a year in darkness and -30C weather.

Now all RFA’s wanna be paid like the Edmonton model

i would have been thrilled if Dubas could have followed the Edm model . lol

unfortunately the weak ass bitch took their model and said i can blow that shit away and gave out $$$ that should be for 8yrs for 5 and if reports are true he's going to out do himself and give Marner 8yr cash for 3yrs

this sad pathetic excuse of a GM is single handily destroying everyone's cap structure

 

[Willy Stylez]

i would have been thrilled if Dubas could have followed the Edm model . lol

unfortunately the weak ass ***** took their model and said i can blow that **** away and gave out $$$ that should be for 8yrs for 5 and if reports are true he's going to out do himself and give 8yr cash for 3yrs

this sad pathetic excuse of a GM is single handily destroying everyone's cap structure

Yes, everything is Dubas fault. He is the reason other GM's ruin their capstructure, kinda makes sense.

 

[nobody]

Yes, everything is Dubas fault. He is the reason other GM's ruin their capstructure, kinda makes sense.

Dont bother arguing with the dude. He seems to be hell bent on blaming Dubas for trying to build a good team and paying the stars fairly.

Cant please everyone I guess.

 

[hotpaws]

Yes, everything is Dubas fault. He is the reason other GM's ruin their capstructure, kinda makes sense.

lol another fan that thinks the GM is more important than the team

 

[hotpaws]

Dont bother arguing with the dude. He seems to be hell bent on blaming Dubas for trying to build a good team and paying the stars fairly.

Cant please everyone I guess.

you do realize Dubas took over a good team , his job was/is to try to win a cup

can't blame people for having low standards

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

Cap is another example of how socialism ruins everything - even for players whose careers will be cut shorter.

 

[ToneDog]

Eventually one will suffer a serious injury and regret not signing the long term guaranteed deal. Perhaps they should talk to Jake.

 

[81Leafs50]

This is the last straw

Pierre Lebrun: "most teams have not talked at all with their RFA's. No body has worked harder to get their player signed then the Leafs. Leafs have been working hard and have been all over Marners camp"

GTFO Marner!

 

[4thline]

All the players want is the proportional cash that stars of their ilk got for the majority of the cap era, they're not buying into the depressed cap hits that resulted from back-diving deals.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

The paying or even "overpaying" is more a NHLPA problem than an owner problem. Folks seems to think these big RFA contracts are forcing owners to fork out more money. I disagree, what we are seeing is the top end players are getting a bigger piece of the pie at the expense of the lower end players. The Leafs and most teams are going to spend to the cap. Doesn't really matter to these teams who gets the money, but now the RFAs with leverage are getting a bigger % than before.
Dubas has said that the Leafs will likely have go to a 22 man roster due to cap reasons. So the top end salaries has forced a potential 900,000 fourth liner to be on the AHL at 70,000.

Hard to believe but the owners are actually more socialistic in their desire for a "levelling"of salaries that the top tier players. Be interesting how the NHLPA proceeds. Most of their members are part of the middle or bottom end players....with a shrinking piece of the revenue.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Eventually one will suffer a serious injury and regret not signing the long term guaranteed deal. Perhaps they should talk to Jake.

Yup - sign a long term deal and nothing to worry about. Short-term just to make a bit more (and most of these guys could buy small islands) - crazy to me

 

[thewave]

Cap is another example of how socialism ruins everything - even for players whose careers will be cut shorter.

Pretty much. in the final stages it crushes the hopes and dreams of the ambitious. The NHL needs to cut failing teams and support growing markets. The league is constantly asking for money for new Rinks and this and that. What the heck is Arizona? Some slush fund for league execs? Complete madness. Should be about 24 teams in the NHL.

Our players should be affordable, to our team. We support it well enough to make it so, Gary the Gimmick wants USA wins all the time though.

 

[nuck]

All the players want is the proportional cash that stars of their ilk got for the majority of the cap era, they're not buying into the depressed cap hits that resulted from back-diving deals.

But there is no new money to pay this. It either comes from the foot soldiers who actually make up the majority of the NHLPA, or from the third contracts of people just like them who want to be paid heavy coin into their declining years. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, and there are way more Peters.

I don't even mind the cash grab so much, because it will eventually find a new equilibrium but I don't like the predicting forward against cap growth, unless you are McDavid and actually have an argument that you shouldn't fall out of the top 3 in money during your deal. A player is worth what their worth, because the cap isn't holding most deals back, they actually aren't worth McDavid money or close to it. If the cap somehow crashed next year, is any player giving money back?

If the two sides can figure out a way to limit the over 30 contracts to some semblance of what that group actually delivers, that would be a huge step. There is no new money but that would push what is here to those who are earning it.

 

[4thline]

But there is no new money to pay this. It either comes from the foot soldiers who actually make up the majority of the NHLPA, or from the third contracts of people just like them who want to be paid heavy coin into their declining years. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, and there are way more Peters.

I don't even mind the cash grab so much, because it will eventually find a new equilibrium but I don't like the predicting forward against cap growth, unless you are McDavid and actually have an argument that you shouldn't fall out of the top 3 in money during your deal. A player is worth what their worth, because the cap isn't holding most deals back, they actually aren't worth McDavid money or close to it. If the cap somehow crashed next year, is any player giving money back?

If the two sides can figure out a way to limit the over 30 contracts to some semblance of what that group actually delivers, that would be a huge step. There is no new money but that would push what is here to those who are earning it.

Agreed. The interesting thing about the backdiving era is that they did essentially find "new money". Cap hits lowered relative to the cash going out allowed some teams to effectively overspend the cap.

One thing that people forget in all the cap and value talk is that when it comes down to it high end talent is the prime resource. It's more scarce than cap space, it dictates winning more than cap space. The money is always going to chase available high end talent.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Edmonton screwed up everything because nobody wants to live half a year in darkness and -30C weather.

Now all RFA’s wanna be paid like the Edmonton model

They had no choice. Players do not want to go to Edmonton. It is the deep freeze. Pronger was first to say publicly he wanted out. Companies have to pay people tons of money to go up north in the deep freeze everywhere (not just Edmonton). They did what they had to do to survive. They MUST draft better than everyone else that is the key for them.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

But there is no new money to pay this. It either comes from the foot soldiers who actually make up the majority of the NHLPA, or from the third contracts of people just like them who want to be paid heavy coin into their declining years. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, and there are way more Peters.

I don't even mind the cash grab so much, because it will eventually find a new equilibrium but I don't like the predicting forward against cap growth, unless you are McDavid and actually have an argument that you shouldn't fall out of the top 3 in money during your deal. A player is worth what their worth, because the cap isn't holding most deals back, they actually aren't worth McDavid money or close to it. If the cap somehow crashed next year, is any player giving money back?

If the two sides can figure out a way to limit the over 30 contracts to some semblance of what that group actually delivers, that would be a huge step. There is no new money but that would push what is here to those who are earning it.

Ask yourself why teams are trading or paying franchisee fees over 700M now? It is in the owners interest to CAP player salaries otherwise they would have said lets renegotiate. The owners have the players in a box with socialist hard CAP CBA. and the owners control the definition of the size of the box with escrow irrespective of signed contracts.

 

[Legion34]

This is the last straw

Pierre Lebrun: "most teams have not talked at all with their RFA's. No body has worked harder to get their player signed then the Leafs. Leafs have been working hard and have been all over Marners camp"

GTFO Marner!

Most teams have not talked with their RFAs at all?

Really?

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

These RFA's are using their leverage. However this will likely be a major contributing factor which result in a lockout imo

 

[thewave]

Edmonton screwed up everything because nobody wants to live half a year in darkness and -30C weather.

Now all RFA’s wanna be paid like the Edmonton model

Not even. McDavid is a legit Crosby type player. Matthews isn't but he does have some Ovi like scoring ability, then again he can't stay healthy and that matters. Nobody would complain about 11.6 x 8 years. It's fair. Edmonton got a fair deal, Toronto and Buffalo with the Eichel deal ruined things. Even Drai in EDM is not a terrible deal when you look at it now. This is pretty much on Dubas

 

[Wafflewhipper]

lol another fan that thinks the GM is more important than the team

Oh stop bro. He’s trying his best under the circumstances dealing with several high end talents that need big money to sign.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Edmonton screwed up everything because nobody wants to live half a year in darkness and -30C weather.

Now all RFA’s wanna be paid like the Edmonton model

i would have been thrilled if Dubas could have followed the Edm model . lol

.... gave out $$$ that should be for 8yrs for 5

I'm not sure how folk just ignore or look past the 5 year versus 8 year aspect. Enigmatic to say the least.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Socialism or democracy? Isn't the majority rule principle called democracy?