Confirmed with Link: [RFA] Drake Caggiula reups for 2 Years ($1.5M per)

[Drivesaitl]

I love how people know exactly what the “value” of contracts are like it’s the price of milk.

Any contract $ and or term can fit whatever narrative a person wants......

what people are more focused on is that if you have a collection of dud wingers like Cagg in your topsix it doesn't matter what you are paying them. Theres appreciable cost (not monetary) in doing that.

This is an org that had the worst wingers in the NHL last season. Giving Cagg more years to be useless isn't exactly addressing that.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

2.5 more than the next highest player with no true indication the cap would go up is insane especially for a Rfa straight out of his ELC. He honestly needs to get 120 points minimum to be worth that money.

Now with the cap going up and other players asking for the moon its not as bad but McDavid is overpaid in terms of cap and performance. Sure he can set his price to max for his marketing value but thats a very different thing.

He’s light years and away the best player in the game.

The cap goes up 5% minimum annually because the players invoke their inflator annually. The only year it hasn’t is this year and the players elected 2.5% due to 23 new jobs the VGK created.

He is not overpaid and his contract will be like Crosby’s in a few years with several players making more.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Yup, this is exactly it. Other than Drai, whose contract I can at least buy into long term, all those guys are slightly overpaid. It all adds up in a cap world. Chia once again proving that even with ALL THE LEVERAGE, he still can't get a value contract.

Explain how Chiarelli has ALL THE LEVERAGE when a player has arbitration rights or is an unrestricted free agent.

 

[Kagomeboy]

1.5 is not an overpay god.some of you need to stop.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

1.5 is not an overpay god.some of you need to stop.

Oilers sign (insert any player name here).
OVERPAY! GARBAGE GM!
It’s sadly predictable already.

 

[McIce Whole]

1.5 is not an overpay god.some of you need to stop.

It may not be a huge overpay but it is an overpayment. Caggiula is a 4th liner and for a team like ours, we can’t afford to be giving 4th line players over a mill, especially when we already overpaid for Russell and Lucic. Also have Kassian making almost 2 and he’s on the 4th line as well.

Ideally, he should have got a 1 year, 1 mill deal.

 

[Kagomeboy]

It's an overpay. Maybe not a huge overpay, but it's an overpay. And you might say well it's not too bad if he's overpaid by max 500k because its just 500k. But then you remember that Draisaitl is also overpaid, Lucic is overpaid, an injured Sekera is grossly overpaid, Kassian is slightly overpaid, Russel is overpaid. Jesus ****, does Chiarelli even TRY to negotiate. He's running this team into the ground with a million little cuts as he likes to put it.

All these contracts add up. So far we have gotten ZERO, count em ZERO contracts that can be defined as even close to a good value or discount contract. You don't build winning teams like this.

Oh and lets not forget that we didn't put in a bid for Tyler Pitlick at 1M cap hit who had 27 points this year for the Stars and proved 2 years ago he was the better bottom 6er than Caggiulla.

GARBAGE GMing.

First of all Looch and Sekera were FA and with those you have to over pay especially in Edmonton.Kassian job and his age gives him the right to ask for the money.Drai was only over pay by a million., Russel is not over paid. what can PC do when he is in a market like Edmonton.

We won with them last season before. and pitlick was too injury prone here and the oilers tried everything to make him a good player but he got injured too much.So he left for free agency and did well in Dallas.

Nothing our GM did is Garbage.

 

[Kagomeboy]

It may not be a huge overpay but it is an overpayment. Caggiula is a 4th liner and for a team like ours, we can’t afford to be giving 4th line players over a mill, especially when we already overpaid for Russell and Lucic. Also have Kassian making almost 2 and he’s on the 4th line as well.

Ideally, he should have got a 1 year, 1 mill deal.

That does not work in the NHL,I get we have cap issues but the oilers have not overpaying him.The money he got was the money is what he desereves.

nearly 2 million is the right price 4th rounder who scored 13 goals.

 

[LaGu]

I honestly thought he'd be shipped out, but seeing as the only replacement for lower cap hit would probably have had to be a rookie I can see why they signed him. I don't see any big problem with this signing or the money tbh, but then I am counting on a bit of improvement next season.

huh?
he's played roughly 25% with McDavid and less than 33% with Draisaitl

Drake Caggiula - Teammates - On Ice - Natural Stat Trick

That doesn't look like 25% or 33% to me...

151:31 w McD, 641:19 w/o McD
151:31 / (641:19+151:31) = (approx) 19% with McD

185:39 w Dra, 607:13 w/o Drai
185:39 / (607:13+185:39) = (approx) 23% with Drai

I always find it useful to also turn these numbers around, McD actaully spent only 13% of his EV TOI with Caggiula and Drai 18%. I don't see why this is such a big deal, but then again I don't think Caggiula is complete garbage.

He made those guys worse when he was with them. That is why he is bad. He's bad when he's in the bottom 6. And he makes our top 6 players worse when he plays with them.

It's not rocket science.

If you look at Corsi with and without then also Rattie made McD much worse in a similar way. I am not really that fond of this deal but you are using stats with waaay to few counts to be relevant, especially the GF%. 100-200 mins are not even remotely close to be enough for these types of evaluations.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

This “season starts tomorrow?” business was used a lot last offseason.
I hope it’s relevant this time.

Because teams go with the team exact same line up every year..

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Oilers sign (insert any player name here).
OVERPAY! GARBAGE GM!
It’s sadly predictable already.

Maybe because said GM does tend to overpay his players?

Why do you think we're strapped for cap space? Because Chiarelli used it wisely?

 

[nabob]

Because teams go with the team exact same line up every year..

It's June 15th. Our offseason has already been deemed a failure. Might as well tune in for the draft and free agency day, the rest of the offseason is going to be very salty.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Because teams go with the team exact same line up every year..

Maybe we can downgrade again. That seems like a solid plan.

 

[North]

Caggiula scored 13 goals last season so if he's a fourth liner he's a pretty darn good one.

He plays up and down the lineup which is actually what we had hoped for with Kassian.

The thing is he still has room to grow. Some of the hits he threw this past season to create energy were pretty good. He needs to be more consistent in that regard and work on his play without the puck.

I'll be honest, I'm not a big fan of his but I do see a base for a player that can be useful if he puts it together.

There are players that are overpaid on this team. He's not one of them.

 

[fuswald]

Leon Draisaitl with Caggiula: 49.61 CF%, 43.75 GF%
Leon Draisaitl without Caggiula: 51.66 CF%, 50.59 GF%

RNH with Caggiula: 48.37 CF%, 50 GF%
RNH without Caggiula: 49.78 CF%, 55.6 GF%

That is pretty damning on Caggiula. But what is REALLY damning is what happens when he's with McDavid

Connor McDavid with Caggiula: 39.50 CF%, 45.54 GF%
Connor McDavid without Cagiula: 52.60 CF%, 62.00 GF%

He takes the best player in the world and turns him into a guy who loses the head to head matchup at 5v5.

And of course when you look at his GF when he's away with any of those guys it's below 40%. For all three.

More useless stats.

When McDavid is not with Caggiula he is with Draisitl or RNH. Same for RNH and Draisaitl.
Saying he makes others worse is wrong it shows he is not as good as some other options is all. That is why he gets paid less than those better options.

 

[TheNumber4]

That does not work in the NHL,I get we have cap issues but the oilers have not overpaying him.The money he got was the money is what he desereves.

nearly 2 million is the right price 4th rounder who scored 13 goals.

2M?!

Caggiullas stats before reupping for 1.5M is 67 - 13G, 7A, 20P

Derek Ryan stats before reupping for 1.425M is 67 - 11G, 18A, 29P
Andreas Anathasiou stats before reupping for 1.387M is 64 - 18G,
11A, 29P
Paul Byron stats before reupping for 1.167 M is 62 - 11G, 7A, 18P

So other teams are signing their more productive 4th liners for cheaper than we are. This is why it's an overpay and this is why Chia can't negotiate himself out of a cardboard box.

 

[CycloneSweep]

2M?!

Caggiullas stats before reupping for 1.5M is 67 - 13G, 7A, 20P

Derek Ryan stats before reupping for 1.425M is 67 - 11G, 18A, 29P
Andreas Anathasiou stats before reupping for 1.387M is 64 - 18G,
11A, 29P
Paul Byron stats before reupping for 1.167 M is 62 - 11G, 7A, 18P

So other teams are signing their more productive 4th liners for cheaper than we are. This is why it's an overpay and this is why Chia can't negotiate himself out of a cardboard box.

Thanks for showing the work on this. Derek Ryan getting that much is because he is extremely solid defensively and a great pk guy. He also got those points not playing with McDavid

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

2M?!

nope

Caggiullas stats before reupping for 1.5M is 67 - 13G, 7A, 20P

Derek Ryan stats before reupping for 1.425M is 67 - 11G, 18A, 29P

-and he got a 1-year deal
-and he's 30
-and he's cap% was more than Caggulia's
-overpayment I guess?

Andreas Anathasiou stats before reupping for 1.387M is 64 - 18G,
11A, 29P

-1 year deal
-cap % more than Caggulia's.
-overpayment I guess?

Paul Byron stats before reupping for 1.167 M is 62 - 11G, 7A, 18P

-signed 2 years ago when cap was lower
-older player than Drake
-if Byron can become productive at 28, why can't Drake at 23?

So other teams are signing their more productive 4th liners for cheaper than we are. This is why it's an overpay and this is why Chia can't negotiate himself out of a cardboard box.

they are?

 

[CycloneSweep]

nope


-and he got a 1-year deal
-and he's 30
-and he's cap% was more than Caggulia's
-overpayment I guess?



-1 year deal
-cap % more than Caggulia's.
-overpayment I guess?

-signed 2 years ago when cap was lower
-older player than Drake
-if Byron can become productive at 28, why can't Drake at 23?


they are?

So your point is younger players should get more expensive contracts when they show less than the older guys?

2 of those 3 guys are actually good defensively and all 3 player well away from the puck. Something our guys doesnt.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

So your point is younger players should get more expensive contracts when they show less than the older guys?

no my point is guys like Derek Ryan and Byron and Anathasiou took up more cap% than Drake, are older players and in the case of Anathasiou and Ryan, took one year deals
but those aren't overpayments because...

2 of those 3 guys are actually good defensively and all 3 player well away from the puck. Something our guys doesnt.

well I hope so, those guys are 29 and 31 and played more NHL games than Drake

 

[joestevens29]

I don't like the 1.5mil, but I'm not going to worry until later in the year. He did end up tied for 5th in goals playing 13:30 a night in 67 games. So it's not like everything is all bad with this kid that is still growing as a pro. Considering the shit show this team was last year I am willing to give this contract a chance.

But if he ends up on line 4 for most of the year and isn't scoring or hasn't become an agitator or PK specialist then I'll have an issue with this contract.

 

[CycloneSweep]

no my point is guys like Derek Ryan and Byron and Anathasiou took up more cap% than Drake, are older players and in the case of Anathasiou and Ryan, took one year deals
but those aren't overpayments because...


well I hope so, those guys are 29 and 31 and played more NHL games than Drake

I get your point but often on 1 year deals players make more per year than they would on 2 year deals so that point works a little against you.

Ryan and Byron were also ufas so getting paid more makes sense cause ufas make more cause they can choose wherethey go.

You have a point with the cap%. And yes they were older but they were better players flat out and took less term for more money

 

[North]

2M?!

Caggiullas stats before reupping for 1.5M is 67 - 13G, 7A, 20P

Derek Ryan stats before reupping for 1.425M is 67 - 11G, 18A, 29P
Andreas Anathasiou stats before reupping for 1.387M is 64 - 18G,
11A, 29P
Paul Byron stats before reupping for 1.167 M is 62 - 11G, 7A, 18P

So other teams are signing their more productive 4th liners for cheaper than we are. This is why it's an overpay and this is why Chia can't negotiate himself out of a cardboard box.

What were all these guys earning before they re-signed?

Ryan earned 600000 previously so he got a 825000 raise.

AA from what I could ascertain was approx 630000 cap hit, so he received an over 700000 raise and he's an RFA again this year with arbitration rights.

Byron earned 900000 on his last deal before his extension, but it's important to note he had signed a series of one year deals before that so perhaps a three year deal with a slight bump in pay was more appealing because of the stability it provided and also taking his age into consideration.

Caggiula got a 575000 raise so actually his raise from his previous pay wasn't as large as Ryan's or AA's.

Context is everything.

 

[CycloneSweep]

One guy is a interesting comparable.

Brandon Piri. Guy handles some offense to his game but like Caggiula wasn't good away from the puck. His final elc year he scored 25 points in 49 games and was signed for 2 years at 0.925 a year. 1.3% of the 69 mill cap. Brandon Pirri was putting up more points in less games. His pace in Cagguilas 67 games would of put him at 34 points to his 20s.

1.3% of next year's cap is 1.04 mill.

Pirri was a better player at the same time and made 0.7 % of the cap less than our guy after a better point total in almost 20 less games

 

[jeg]

Cap % cant be ignored when comparing contracts its so important. Look at inflation alone bumps a contract of 1.25 up to 1.5. Decent signing hope he comes around and tallies up some extra points