Relax, McDavid is better than Kucherov

[binop7]

Kucherov is QB on PP and making things happen.

McDavid really isn't that good on the PP another weak point of his game

 

[PensandCaps]

Kucherov is QB on PP and making things happen.

Yah that is true. And it's much easier QB with 3 other all stars around.

Point,Hedman,Stamkos

Vs

Drai and....what?

 

[Kshahdoo]

And Malkin didn't have a Crosby on a powerplay. Still put up 50 and 110 in 75 games.


I disagree though about McDavid not being good enough. He's got the same 5v5 production as Kucherov this season coming into tonite.

So it's clear that McDavid just has no help on the PP, while Kuch has much more. I mean that's just a fact.

McDavis has played 3 min/game more, than Kucherov. Add those 3 min to Kucherov's TOI, and he'd have been on 150 points pace.

 

[illpucks]

Yah that is true. And it's much easier QB with 3 other all stars around.

Point,Hedman,Stamkos

Vs

Drai and....what?

With Pens PP than Crosby should have 99 in 60. Malkin Letang Kessel Guentzel

 

[Hint1k]

Not sure if you are serious, but ice time on a team Canada will not be the same and has talent raise like on a best on best scoring will tend to go down.

Before using the ice-time argument you should probably compare McDavid's and Kucherov's ice-time.
As well as the competition level among national teams. Where AHL level defense is a common case. Cause NHL players more often than not are not permitted to take part in those competitions. Plus often are busy playing in NHL playoffs. So when Crosby is in, for every game he plays against team Sweden (best roster) defense, he also play 3-4 games against teams like Kazakhstan, Italy, France an so on.

 

[Bananas]

Thanks I was really starting to freak out...

 

[LordZapp]

Kucherov is racking up points of a team that would still be one of the top 3 without him.

McDavid is playing for a terribly built team that would have a hard time beating a low end AHL team without him.

I see people claiming Kucherov is the best player in the world. Lol, really? He's scoring at an incredible pace but McDavid's toolbox is simply far superior. Kucherov wouldn't scoring 70 pts this year on that terrible Oilers team.

You have not the slightest idea what your talking about.

 

[Royal Thunder]

McDavid is amazing but he is honestly slightly overrated around here. Arguably the best player in the world? Absolutely. No doubt about it. But IMO it's not unquestionable or ridiculous to suggest someone else is as good or better than him, even though many posters will disagree.

McDavid has the reputation he does because his acceleration, speed, and overall skating ability is unrivalled. His ability to handle the puck at top speed is also unrivalled.

Kucherov has a more balanced offensive toolbox. Elite shot. Elite passing and vision. Elite hands and ability to stickhandle in tight. He can beat you in so many ways and doesn't really have a weakness in his offensive game.

McDavid is incredible and undoubtedly one of the very best in the world, but can we please stop pretending he's the perfect player and that his shot and hands are as good as his skating? Kucherov has him beat in every other area IMO.

 

[Cup or Bust]

McDavis has played 3 min/game more, than Kucherov. Add those 3 min to Kucherov's TOI, and he'd have been on 150 points pace.

Not on the Oilers he wouldn't.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

McDavid in Tampa would put up seasons rivaled by only 99 & 66.

Factual proof?

 

[PensandCaps]

McDavis has played 3 min/game more, than Kucherov. Add those 3 min to Kucherov's TOI, and he'd have been on 150 points pace.

I bet it's really only like a minute and a half. McDavid PKs. So that doesn't really count.


Also, playing fatigued doesn't really benefit McDavid.

Once you get to 19-20 mins, playing more doesn't really help much.

 

[vippe]

What kind of thread is this

 

[Albatros]

What kind of thread is this

 

[PensandCaps]

With Pens PP than Crosby should have 99 in 60. Malkin Letang Kessel Guentzel

Crosby doesn't run the PP, so he doesn't get the points, and the lightning have drawn way more penalties than the Pens.

I bet they also have way more than the Oilers.

 

[illpucks]

Crosby doesn't run the PP, so he doesn't get the points, and the lightning have drawn way more penalties than the Pens.

I bet they also have way more than the Oilers.

Out of curiosity, who runs the Pens PP?

 

[Master P]

Wow, well now i'm convinced.

 

[binop7]

McDavid is amazing but he is honestly slightly overrated around here. Arguably the best player in the world? Absolutely. No doubt about it. But IMO it's not unquestionable or ridiculous to suggest someone else is as good or better than him, even though many posters will disagree.

McDavid has the reputation he does because his acceleration, speed, and overall skating ability is unrivalled. His ability to handle the puck at top speed is also unrivalled.

Kucherov has a more balanced offensive toolbox. Elite shot. Elite passing and vision. Elite hands and ability to stickhandle in tight. He can beat you in so many ways and doesn't really have a weakness in his offensive game.

McDavid is incredible and undoubtedly one of the very best in the world, but can we please stop pretending he's the perfect player and that his shot and hands are as good as his skating? Kucherov has him beat in every other area IMO.

great post
Honestly McDavid reminds me more of watching Bure than anyone else. Not an undisputed best player in the league period

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Out of curiosity, who runs the Pens PP?

For the amount of time you spend obsessively posting about Crosby, I would have thought you'd watch the Pens often enough to know the answer to this.

 

[Mr Spock]

Kucherov is racking up points of a team that would still be one of the top 3 without him.

McDavid is playing for a terribly built team that would have a hard time beating a low end AHL team without him.

I see people claiming Kucherov is the best player in the world. Lol, really? He's scoring at an incredible pace but McDavid's toolbox is simply far superior. Kucherov wouldn't scoring 70 pts this year on that terrible Oilers team.

 

[PensandCaps]

Out of curiosity, who runs the Pens PP?

Kessel.

Also, the Lightning have 38 more PPs. Than the Pens.


That's also an advantage of having a good team around you. Your depth players are actually good and cause PPs for your stars.

 

[illpucks]

For the amount of time you spend obsessively posting about Crosby, I would have thought you'd watch the Pens often enough to know the answer to this.

Letang?

 

[MadLuke]

Before using the ice-time argument you should probably compare McDavid's and Kucherov's ice-time.
As well as the competition level among national teams. Where AHL level defense is a common case. Cause NHL players more often than not are not permitted to take part in those competitions. Plus often are busy playing in NHL playoffs.

What does McDavid-Kucherov ice time argument has to do about the theorical question, would Crosby had better season around 2013-2014-2015 playing with Bergeron-Marchand on is line, than the forward he played with ?

Putting talent on Crosby line do not guarantee better success than good grinder (Kessel for example), but talented player who have good chemistry / match is cycling game like those 2, should lead to better success.

As well as the competition level among national teams. Where AHL level defense is a common case. Cause NHL players more often than not are not permitted to take part in those competitions. Plus often are busy playing in NHL playoffs.

Crosby made the playoff every year except is first season, how many team Canada he played as an adult in non best on best tournament ? Just that one I imagine ?

 

[Hint1k]

What does McDavid-Kucherov ice time argument has to do

but ice time on a team Canada will not be the same

No more questions for you. Hint: Reading your own message sometimes help in a discussion.

 

[TheNumber4]

OP has a good point. Actually should be a pretty obvious point to most unless your a moron. Of course the team around him matters. How many points does Kuch get just loading up Stamkos' elite one timer? There's not a one timer even CLOSE to that on the Oilers. Then not to mention everything else that Tampa has that's better than the Oilers thats inflating Kucherovs numbers.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Not on the Oilers he wouldn't.

He would still be better, than McDavid, though.