GDT: Red Wings Training Camp 2015

[Henkka]

Pre-Season Stats + Training Camp scrimmage stats combined:

Forwards in points/game order...

1. W Tomas Tatar, 6GP, 6+3=9p, 1.50 P/G, 10 shots, +5
2. RW Teemu Pulkkinen, 5GP, 4+3=7p, 1.40 P/G, 12 shots, -3
3. C/LW Andreas Athanasiou, 7GP, 4+4=8p, 1.14 P/G, 17 shots, +10 (!)
4. C Brad Richards, 5GP, 2+3=5p, 1.00 P/G, 6 shots, +7
5. LW Tyler Bertuzzi, 7GP, 2+5=7p, 1.00 P/G, 14 shots, +6 (this kid just continues WOW:ing me)
6. RW Anthony Mantha, 7GP, 4+2=6p, 0.86 P/G, 13 shots, +3
7. C Dylan Larkin, 7GP, 4+2=6p, 0.86 P/G, 14 shots, -1 (we all know, Larkin has been better than these stats will show for, but let's keep that as our own secret... )
8. W Justin Abdelkader, 6GP, 3+2=5p, 0.83 P/G, 13 shots, +5 (rock solid Abby keeps going)
9. LW Johan Franzen, 5GP, 0+4=4p, 0.80 P/G, 9 shots, +4
10. W Tomas Jurco, 8GP, 2+4=6p, 0.75 P/G, 10 shots, +10 (!)
11. RW Gustav Nyquist, 6GP, 1+3=4p, 0.67 P/G, 8 shots, +1
12. C Andy Miele, 6GP, 0+4=4p, 0.67 P/G, 6 shots, -2
13. C henrik Zetterberg, 5GP, 2+1=3p, 0.60 P/G, 9 shots, -2

There are our best scoring forwards. Pick any 9 guys and you get a great TOP9 even without Datsyuk.

Then comes big dip in points/game and here's checking line material:

14. C/LW Tomas Nosek, 7GP, 2+1=3p, 0.43 P/G, 12 shots, +4
15. LW Drew Miller, 6GP, 2+0=2p, 0.33 P/G, 10 shots, +2
16. RW Mitchell Callahan, 6GP 0+2=2p, 0.33 P/G, 8 shots, +1
17. W Dan Cleary, 4GP, 0+1=1p, 0.25 P/G, 0 shots, +1
18. C/LW Joakim Andersson, 5GP, 0+1=1p, 0.20 P/G, 7 shots, +2
19. RW Landon Ferraro, 6GP, 0+1=1p, 0.17 P/G, 13 shots, +3
20. C/RW Luke Glendening, 6GP, 1+0=1p, 0.17 P/G, 5 shots, +0

More to come as I edit my list...

 

[Henkka]

Defence at points + plusminus per game -order

I know it's flawed stat, but who cares, this is pre-season and we are having some pre-season fun.

1. D Xavier Ouellet, 5GP, 1+3=4p, 4 shots, +7, 2.20 P+Plus/G
2. RD Mike Green, 4GP, 0+3=3p, 3 shots, +4, 1.75 P+Plus/G
3. RD Nick Jensen, 7GP, 0+5=5p, 8 shots, +7, 1.71 P+Plus/G (maybe Jensen finally becomes that our own Duncan Keith Zetterberg Era has told all the time... he looked damn good in games I've seen...)
4. D Brendan Smith, 5GP, 2+2=4p, 5 shots, +3, 1.40 P+Plus/G
5. D Jakub Kindl, 5GP, 1+3=4p, 5 shots, +3, 1.40 P+Plus/G (go Kindl, get your trade value back from the negative side! )
6. RD Alexey Marchenko, 7GP, 0+3=3p, 4 shots, +4, 1.00 P+Plus/G
7. D Jonathan Ericsson, 6GP, 1+2=3p, 5 shots, +2, 0.83 P+Plus/G
8. RD Robbie Russo, 5GP, 0+1=1p, 1 shot, +3, 0.80 P+Plus/G
9. LD Niklas Kronwall, 6GP, 0+4=4p, 5 shots, +0, 0.67 P+Plus/G
10. RD Ryan Sproul, 6GP, 1+1=2p, 9 shots, +0, 0.33 P+Plus/G
11. LD Dan DeKeyser, 6GP, 0+1=1p, 1 shot, +0 0.17 P+Plus/G
12. D Kyle Quincey, 5GP, 0+1=1p, 7 shots, -1, 0.00 P+Plus/G
13. LD Brian Lashoff, 6GP, 0+1=1p, 5 shots, -2, -0.17 P+Plus/G

 

[Flowah]

RW Gustav Nyquist, 6GP, 1+3=4p, 0.67 P/G, 8 shots, +1

Nyquist bust, trade him.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Nyquist bust, trade him.

Agree Nyquist is a bust trade him for either Byfuglien or Shattenkirk.

 

[BinCookin]

Thanks for the Stats Henkka !

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Agree Nyquist is a bust trade him for either Byfuglien or Shattenkirk.

But i really would trade Nyquist for those players

 

[DanZ]

But i really would trade Nyquist for those players

I would too honestly. We have an abundance of offensive wingers. We need some quality defensemen to help Kronwall and DeKeyser out.

 

[Mount Suribachi]

But i really would trade Nyquist for those players

Absolutely. And thats not a knock on Nyquist.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

But i really would trade Nyquist for those players

Oh I agree I would to, Especially for Shattenkirk, The. Was more or less about Nyquist being a bust he's certainly not a bust.

 

[rockinghockey]

Who do you think will be the starting goalie for you guys?
I am doing a hockey draft and deciding if I should take Mrazek

 

[Flowah]

Absolutely. And thats not a knock on Nyquist.

If anything it's a compliment. Buff is not getting traded for scraps. You need a good player going back. Nyquist is a good player.

Who do you think will be the starting goalie for you guys?
I am doing a hockey draft and deciding if I should take Mrazek

Well at the start it's supposedly a "whoever earns it" sorta thing. But in my opinion, Mrazek wins out by January or February or even earlier.

 

[Tatar]

Who do you think will be the starting goalie for you guys?
I am doing a hockey draft and deciding if I should take Mrazek

Howard will start because seniority. Don't draft Mrazek, pick someone else, then pick him up as a free agent when he takes the starting job around December.

 

[Henkka]

You just shouldn't do any conclusions based on pre-season stats, but it really looks that our most promising forward prospects are Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha and Bertuzzi. They are miles ahead of anybody else and as different player types, it's a very good mix and combination of skill. Svechnikov didn't score a singlepoint in any game, but this was rookie camp for him etc. Next year that guy will be a different man.

Our future TOP9 should consist of those prospects + current five on young roster regulars; Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan, Jurco and Pulkkinen. We don't need skill forwards more in reality. We can draft them more, but use as trade bait. It's time to rebuild the defence now, maybe selling draft picks or other unneeded material.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

You just shouldn't do any conclusions based on pre-season stats, but it really looks that our most promising forward prospects are Larkin, Athanasiou, Mantha and Bertuzzi. They are miles ahead of anybody else and as different player types, it's a very good mix and combination of skill. Svechnikov didn't score a singlepoint in any game, but this was rookie camp for him etc. Next year that guy will be a different man.

Our future TOP9 should consist of those prospects + current five on young roster regulars; Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan, Jurco and Pulkkinen. We don't need skill forwards more in reality. We can draft them more, but use as trade bait. It's time to rebuild the defence now, maybe selling draft picks or other unneeded material.

I think Nosek has been very good. He looks like a third line kind of guy anyway, but I am always really impressed with him.

 

[Henkka]

I think Nosek has been very good. He looks like a third line kind of guy anyway, but I am always really impressed with him.

Basicly, there's no chance for him at offensive 3rd line. Maybe as some temporary guy, but long-term, imo, he is out of plans and only spare part.

For a checking line guy, yes there's a spot.

These guys are really unbeatble:

Tatar - Sheahan - Nyquist
Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha
Svechnikov/Athanasiou - Pulkkinen
Jurco

Future offensive core. Tough to break in for anybody else.

 

[TheRatPoisoner]

Their forward group is sad, yes. As for defense, outside of Faulk and Hanifin do they have anyone notable? not sure i'd label the mas deep in that regard

Haydn Fleury

Probably wouldn't part with him though

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Basicly, there's no chance for him offensive 3rd line. Maybe assome temporary guy, but long-term, imo, he isout of plans and only spare part.

For a checking line guy, yes there's a spot.

These guys are really unbeatble:

Tatar - Sheahan - Nyquist
Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha
Svechnikov/Athanasiou - Pulkkinen
Jurco

Future offensive core. Tough to break in for anybody else.

Depends on just how heavy Nosek gets in terms of his playing style. He is very good in the corners and isn't afraid of the net. Really solid possession player. He might not be as sexy as the guys he is competing with but the guy is a really rock solid player with good hands.

We also have no idea how that will all break down. Some of these guys are going to disappear more than likely. We will have to see how it all shakes out. But Nosek has talent, I am curious to see what happens with him.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Haydn Fleury

Probably wouldn't part with him though

ryan murphy too. talented kid though not without flaws.

 

[TheRatPoisoner]

ryan murphy too. talented kid though not without flaws.

Yeah?

Haven't heard much about him. Maybe there's a forward for D swap between deal to be had somewhere there.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Depends on just how heavy Nosek gets in terms of his playing style. He is very good in the corners and isn't afraid of the net. Really solid possession player. He might not be as sexy as the guys he is competing with but the guy is a really rock solid player with good hands.

We also have no idea how that will all break down. Some of these guys are going to disappear more than likely. We will have to see how it all shakes out. But Nosek has talent, I am curious to see what happens with him.

...signed him out of the Czech league because of his talent. If Detroit doesn't give him a chance, it will be very disappointing.

Personally, I think he's better than Andersson already.

He can play the 4th line just fine, provide a bit of offense, PK and the such.

 

[EXTRAS]

You guys think Miele is gonna make the team?

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Yeah?

Haven't heard much about him. Maybe there's a forward for D swap between deal to be had somewhere there.

Carolina's got a decent blue line.

Hanifin, Faulk, Wiz, Murphy, and Hainsey is not a terrible group.

 

[EXTRAS]

You guys think Miele is gonna make the team?

Anyone?

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Anyone?

I just don't see it. It's a crowded roster as it is. Maybe as a 14th forward? But even then, we're very crowded.

 

[Henkka]

You guys think Miele is gonna make the team?

No. he will be 2nd line center for the Griffins...

Athanasiou - Larkin - Callahan
Bertuzzi - Miele - Mantha

..or something like that.