Friedman: Red Wings interested in Calvin de Haan?

[caley]

12. Could see Detroit with interest in Calvin de Haan from the Islanders, who would be worried about losing him in the expansion draft. He’s been very solid at the Worlds.

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[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Islander fans what would you be seeking for Calvin De Haan would something around Nyquist work. Just gauging his worth here.

 

[Aceboogie]

Whoever gets Calvin De Haan is about to get a D on the verge of a big breakout year. hell be a major steal

 

[seafoam]

If NYI trades de Haan (which in my opinion would be a mistake) to prevent from losing him to the expansion draft, then I would have to think they do an 8-1 and protect Tavares, Ladd (NMC), Lee, Nelson?, Leddy, Boychuk (NMC), Hamonic, and Pulock.

I might be off base, but wouldn't they be looking to trade him for an exempt asset(s)?

 

[Advanced stats]

As a leafs fan, I'd give up a lot for CDH. Loved him since his time in Oshawa.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Whoever gets Calvin De Haan is about to get a D on the verge of a big breakout year. hell be a major steal

Sounds like he's definitely a D man that Detroit needs desperately then. Have heard wonderful things about him maybe something around Nyquist+ Nyquist with Tavares would probably be another Okposo type.

 

[seabass45]

Whoever gets Calvin De Haan is about to get a D on the verge of a big breakout year. hell be a major steal

He's not on a verge of a breakout. He's been this solid for awhile but doesn't get credit because he's quietly steady. Funny dude, too.

Anyway I'd rather include him in a Duchene or Drouin trade but fans of those teams don't seem too enthusiastic about it bc again, he's not very exciting and he's in his mid 20s so what you see is what you get. Glad he's getting some attention at the World Championships though.

 

[seafoam]

Nothing against Nyquist, but how does that solve NYI's expansion draft problem?

Hypothetically Nyquist + for de Haan...

NYI protects

Tavares
Ladd (NMC)
Lee
Nyquist
Leddy
Boychuk (NMC)
Hamonic
Pulock
Greiss

They lose Nelson or Cizikas

or

NYI protects

Tavares
Ladd (NMC)
Lee
Nyquist
Nelson
Cizikas
Strome
Leddy
Boychuk (NMC)
Hamonic

They lose Pulock

In either situation, they are essentially trading de Haan and Pulock or Nelson/Cizikas for whatever the return is from Detroit. Seems like poor asset management to me.

 

[SCMURRAY]

I'll probably get destroyed by wings fan but what about something around Nelson + CDH for Mantha

 

[Bood12]

it is mind boggling if the Islanders are going to allow de Haan to walk, in reality they should be looking to trade Hamonic and protect de Haan

 

[Datsyukian Deke]

I'll probably get destroyed by wings fan but what about something around Nelson + CDH for Mantha

Anybody but Mantha, AA, Larkin, or Svechnikov, you may have.

 

[Macch]

If i'm the Isles, I'm protecting him in the expansion draft.

One of the steady guys that doesn't get any credit, but can play top line minutes.

 

[seafoam]

Anybody but Mantha, AA, Larkin, or Svechnikov, you may have.

NYI would still have expansion draft problems if you think about it.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'll probably get destroyed by wings fan but what about something around Nelson + CDH for Mantha

Nope no interest in Nelson in the least, I think Mantha will be as good as Nelson if not better. .

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

NYI would still have expansion draft problems if you think about it.

Agree either way it's not looking very good for you guys for the expansion draft.

 

[seabass45]

it is mind boggling if the Islanders are going to allow de Haan to walk, in reality they should be looking to trade Hamonic and protect de Haan

It would be the gutsier trade but bc of that whole "heart and soul" thing I don't think Garth would do it.

 

[Territory]

What would NYI want from Toronto? Admittedly I don't know CDH's game so I don't know his value.

But I see "defense" and "good" and I want lol.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What would NYI want from Toronto? Admittedly I don't know CDH's game so I don't know his value.

But I see "defense" and "good" and I want lol.

Probably Kapanen, Snow will want a expansion exempt player more then likely.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Anybody but Mantha, AA, Larkin, or Svechnikov, you may have.

I'd easily give up AA for a good dman.

 

[seabass45]

What would NYI want from Toronto? Admittedly I don't know CDH's game so I don't know his value.

But I see "defense" and "good" and I want lol.

As far as value goes, probably Stralman before people realized that he's really solid. Quiet, PMD who doesn't put up many points but gets the job done.

 

[seabass45]

Probably Kapanen, Snow will want a expansion exempt player more then likely.

If the return is Kapanen, I would think Garth offers Pulock. Two players who have done well in the AHL but haven't shown much in the NHL yet.

Putting all this aside though, the Isles' greatest need is at 2C. I'd rather include de Haan or Hamonic in a package to get that, instead of a winger like Nyquist or Kapanen.

 

[seafoam]

If the return is Kapanen, I would think Garth offers Pulock. Two players who have done well in the AHL but haven't shown much in the NHL yet.

Putting all this aside though, the Isles' greatest need is at 2C. I'd rather include de Haan or Hamonic in a package to get that, instead of a winger like Nyquist or Kapanen.

I don't think Garth would offer Pulock for Kapanen.

NYI has too many young forwards coming through the system now (Barzal, Beauvillier, Dal Colle, and Ho-Sang). They can't ice 3-4 inexperienced prospects at the NHL level at the same time.

I like Kapanen, but there's just no room. NYI needs a proven forward who can provide 50+ points without playing with Tavares.

 

[scarbrow21]

What does Winnipeg have that they could trade the Isles for De Haan while also taking Halak off your hands to free up some more CAP space?

Would something like:

Petan+2017 1st (13OA)+Lemieux+Hutchinson (used as expansion requirement or just a cheaper backup for the AHL or NHL)

for
De Haan + Halak and WPG will deal with the expansion issue that creates further for them

 

[seabass45]

I don't think Garth would offer Pulock for Kapanen.

NYI has too many young forwards coming through the system now (Barzal, Beauvillier, Dal Colle, and Ho-Sang). They can't ice 3-4 inexperienced prospects at the NHL level at the same time.

I like Kapanen, but there's just no room. NYI needs a proven forward who can provide 50+ points without playing with Tavares.

I should have clarified that I don't think it happens or makes sense for the Isles, but that's the proper value. de Haan, as a top 4 d-man in his prime, should be worth a lot more than Kapanen. Pulock, who hasn't succeeded in the NHL, is closer in value.

 

[seabass45]

What does Winnipeg have that they could trade the Isles for De Haan while also taking Halak off your hands to free up some more CAP space?

Would something like:

Petan+2017 1st (13OA)+Lemieux+Hutchinson (used as expansion requirement or just a cheaper backup for the AHL or NHL)

for
De Haan + Halak and WPG will deal with the expansion issue that creates further for them

Garth's dumbest move was running with three goalies and then sending Halak down because he was unhappy about it. I think he tries to keep both for this season.

Not really interested in anyone from Winnipeg who might be available, sorry.