Prospect Info: Red Wings #1 prospect

[izlez]

Seider.

I really like the Raymond pick, but you have to be a really special draft prospect to overtake Seider who I think has potential through the roof, and has already proven it at a high level.

Raymond will probably be next for me, then it gets more interesting. I've never been to high on Zadina, although I'm encouraged a bit by last year

 

[FabricDetails]

Seider.

I really like the Raymond pick, but you have to be a really special draft prospect to overtake Seider who I think has potential through the roof, and has already proven it at a high level.

Raymond will probably be next for me, then it gets more interesting. I've never been to high on Zadina, although I'm encouraged a bit by last year

I voted Seider but Raymond is that special.

However, I think the fact that Seider has proven he can play his game in NA is a huge deal. He shouldn't be behind by ten votes.

 

[Realgud]

I'm as high on both Seider and Raymond as one can be, but I choose Seider by a hair because of how good he has been until now. I think the ceiling for both of these players is exceptionally high but I think Seider has proved a little bit more until now (obviously).

 

[raymond23]

Voted the Manhammer.

Pretty frickin awesome that Filip Zadina is our third best prospect...

 

[TCNorthstars]

Voted the Manhammer.

Pretty frickin awesome that Filip Zadina is our third best prospect...

You are going to get the banhammer if you call him the Manhammer again!

 

[TheMule93]

Raymond, Seider, and Zadina all feel like they could one day be elite players which is exciting. Id have Raymond at 1 followed closely by the latter two, though im not sure i'd even consider Zadina a prospect anymore.

 

[Ricelund]

It's tough to choose between Raymond and Seider.

I think Raymond has a higher ceiling so I'm going to say Raymond.

 

[cjm502]

I had a hard time choosing between Seider and Raymond, and judging by how close the poll is im guessing many others did too. I went with Seider simply because hes more proven. A good season from Raymond could definitely change that.

 

[RedMenace]

Kienan Draper.

But seriously.

Kienan Draper.

But seriously seriously, I'll go with Seider. I'm really excited about his potential.

Voted the Manhammer.

 

[stantheman07]

I think Raymond is our highest ranked prospect. But Seider definitely has the highest floor.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

I'm ecstatic with the Raymond pick (even though he's not a C), as he can drive the play from the wing etc. However, recency bias & shiny new toy syndrome have reared their heads...he's not #1 until he's proven something, say like Seider, who is the true #1 prospect.

 

[GreatGordie9]

I'm ecstatic with the Raymond pick (even though he's not a C), as he can drive the play from the wing etc. However, recency bias & shiny new toy syndrome have reared their heads...he's not #1 until he's proven something, say like Seider, who is the true #1 prospect.

Raymond scored today for Forlunda now has 2 goals and an assist in 5 games.

 

[RedWingzz]

Interesting on the main board Seider was voted before Raymond, yet here on our board, Raymond is taking the poll.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Interesting on the main board Seider was voted before Raymond, yet here on our board, Raymond is taking the poll.

Shiny new toy.

 

[RedWingzz]

Shiny new toy.

Yeah, can't really go wrong with either. Can't wait for the 21-22 season, unfortunately we're gonna have to sit through one more dumpster fire of a season before the rise begins, but 21-22 could be fun with Raymond, Seider, Veleno on the team and maybe Berggren/Wallinder/Johansson/McIsaac in the mix as well.

Too bad Seider is in Sweden all year, but I guess we will still get to watch him play 30-40 games after their season finishes.

We should go and vote Zadina on the top prospects poll on he main thread, would be cool to see 3 of our guys in the top 15.

 

[FabricDetails]

Shiny new toy.

In fairness to the Raymond voters though, it really is like getting a 3D Printer as far as toys go.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Shiny new toy.

Not entirely, Raymond has the most pure talent in a draft pick the Wings have made since Mantha, who obviously carried other concerns. Last year, I was on the Zadina end of the argument of where you are with Seider this year. I do think there was a shiny new toy syndrome last year, with Yzerman coming back, and he goes "off the board" and take an under-scouted, relatively unknown German defenseman who doesn't carry the traditional high offensive upside of a top 10 defenseman pick. It felt like there was a lot of Steve is the savior, get on board, this is going to be a special kid.

And to be fair, a little more than 12 months later, Seider does look like a special kid for us.

But this time around, I think it's hard to validate the shiny new toy syndrome given the track record of Raymond. We have seen for multiple years that he is a special talent who swings above his weight class (playing up age groups). He does have superstar potential, which I think is a little different than Seider's elite potential. Giving Raymond the edge based on pure upside is reasonable, and giving Seider the edge based on safer high end projectability is certainly reasonable as well.

 

[Go Wings]

Voted the Manhammer.

Pretty frickin awesome that Filip Zadina is our third best prospect...

Since his last name is pronounce Cider. When he hits someone I am going to say you have just been take to Cider Town (Simpsons reference)

 

[Kingpin794]

Voted the Manhammer.

Pretty frickin awesome that Filip Zadina is our third best prospect...

Poll is trending that way because most of us (myself included) don't consider Zadina a prospect anymore. Yzerman has said as much also. By yeah, if I thought of him as a prospect, I'd have him third.

 

[Henkka]

Should we continue these polls?

 

[Martinez]

Should we continue these polls?

Yes

 

[Henkka]

Think Seider is the clear #2 with a landslide, because it was so close against Raymond.

We could go straight to #3.

 

[newfy]

Seider and Raymond are close but the way Seider has started in Sweden and the seasin/WJC he had last year its impossible for me to not vote him.

A potential number one D has more value to me than a first line winger

 

[Tetsuo]

Seider and Raymond are close but the way Seider has started in Sweden and the seasin/WJC he had last year its impossible for me to not vote him.

A potential number one D has more value to me than a first line winger

Agreed. Though if both players meet their projections I'm not going to be choosy! And it's not like the Wings don't also need high end forwards with line driving potential too.

 

[lilidk]

Think Seider is the clear #2 with a landslide, because it was so close against Raymond.

We could go straight to #3.

#3 should be Zadina.
After Zadina not sure