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Have posted previously about Red Kelly playing forward with the Detroit Red Wings.With the release of significant NHL archival data recently further research into this topic was facilitated. The following,while a work in progress, significantly advances our knowledge of Red Kelley's usage in Detroit and other multi-position players on other teams from the O6 era and before.
Red Kelly Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
1946-47 Toronto St. Mike's Roster:
Toronto St. Michael's 1946-47 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com
Gamecentre - sample:
Detroit Red Wings - Boston Bruins - December 5th, 1957
Couple of points about the gamecenter data and game sheets in general.
Game sheets usually have the skaters listed as forwards and defencemen plus the goalie(s) as well as the named starting line-up for each team. Starting line-ups for each team have to take the opening faceoff or its a minor penalty against the offending team. The starting line-up data is missing from the archival data. Rather unfortunate.
Positional designations for skaters are not binding. Anytime during a game a forward may play defence and vice versa.
Background
The Red Wings under Jack Adams tended to deploy certain players as forwards and defencemen - Ebbie Goodfellow, Syd Howe, Red Kelly, Marcel Pronovost, Gerry Odrowski etc. Question that remains is when and how long?
Red Kelly a forward(C/LW) with the 1946-47 Memorial Cup St.Mike's team joined the Red Wings for the 1947-48 season and is listed as a defenceman. Kelly never played in the minors. Rather unique transition for a twenty year old.
December 8, 1957 La Patrie article clearly refers to Red Kelly being moved to forward:
La Patrie - Recherche d'archives de Google Actualités
Game center and other sources with positional data do not account for this. Yet Red Kelly after a 1956-57 season where he received 98 votes as a 1ast AST defenceman and 42 Norris votes as the runner-up
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/103881285/
To at best negligible AST and Norris consideration for the 1957-58 NHL season.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/103881313/
More shortly.
Red Kelly Stats | Hockey-Reference.com
1946-47 Toronto St. Mike's Roster:
Toronto St. Michael's 1946-47 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com
Gamecentre - sample:
Detroit Red Wings - Boston Bruins - December 5th, 1957
Couple of points about the gamecenter data and game sheets in general.
Game sheets usually have the skaters listed as forwards and defencemen plus the goalie(s) as well as the named starting line-up for each team. Starting line-ups for each team have to take the opening faceoff or its a minor penalty against the offending team. The starting line-up data is missing from the archival data. Rather unfortunate.
Positional designations for skaters are not binding. Anytime during a game a forward may play defence and vice versa.
Background
The Red Wings under Jack Adams tended to deploy certain players as forwards and defencemen - Ebbie Goodfellow, Syd Howe, Red Kelly, Marcel Pronovost, Gerry Odrowski etc. Question that remains is when and how long?
Red Kelly a forward(C/LW) with the 1946-47 Memorial Cup St.Mike's team joined the Red Wings for the 1947-48 season and is listed as a defenceman. Kelly never played in the minors. Rather unique transition for a twenty year old.
December 8, 1957 La Patrie article clearly refers to Red Kelly being moved to forward:
La Patrie - Recherche d'archives de Google Actualités
Game center and other sources with positional data do not account for this. Yet Red Kelly after a 1956-57 season where he received 98 votes as a 1ast AST defenceman and 42 Norris votes as the runner-up
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/103881285/
To at best negligible AST and Norris consideration for the 1957-58 NHL season.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/103881313/
More shortly.