Speculation: Re: Ripping 4th line players, etc. Was it worth it?
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Nithoniniel
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People get married to their grievances. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with their usage at the time, but like you said there was quite a few posters around here who made it seem like Komarov in the top nine ruined their ability to enjoy hockey.
Menzinger
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Being critical of a player’s performance isn’t hating them. Kapanen, Johnsson were both likely better than guys like Komarov all season long and should have been up sooner.
Yes a 4th liner isn’t as important as a core player, but they’re still on the ice for about 10 minutes a game - and a game can be won or lost during their icetime. I think we can pay attention to both core players and depth guys; it’s not a one or the other scenario.
Yes a 4th liner isn’t as important as a core player, but they’re still on the ice for about 10 minutes a game - and a game can be won or lost during their icetime. I think we can pay attention to both core players and depth guys; it’s not a one or the other scenario.
Yes, it was worth it. The team became a lot better when we replaced Martin with Kapanen.
Komarov was a 2nd liner for the first half of the season and he dragged that line down big time. We improved greatly when Babcock finally moved Komarov down to the 4th line like most of here had wanted to do for many months. Johnsson was also a huge upgrade on Komarov.
Not really sure anyone had a huge problem with Moore considering we didn't have too many better options. I didn't have a big problem with him at least.
I wouldn't have minded a 4th line with Komarov and Martin on it in general... but I do mind when we have guys like Kapanen, Johnsson, and Leivo on the bench. Gotta put our best 12 forwards on the ice and Komarov and Martin are not in our top 12.
In terms of Polak... ya, he played alright. Our defense overall still wasn't good. Might have been better off using Borgman who I thought looked pretty good in the first half of the year (Rielly could have gone to the right). Holl didn't get a fair look either.
Komarov was a 2nd liner for the first half of the season and he dragged that line down big time. We improved greatly when Babcock finally moved Komarov down to the 4th line like most of here had wanted to do for many months. Johnsson was also a huge upgrade on Komarov.
Not really sure anyone had a huge problem with Moore considering we didn't have too many better options. I didn't have a big problem with him at least.
I wouldn't have minded a 4th line with Komarov and Martin on it in general... but I do mind when we have guys like Kapanen, Johnsson, and Leivo on the bench. Gotta put our best 12 forwards on the ice and Komarov and Martin are not in our top 12.
In terms of Polak... ya, he played alright. Our defense overall still wasn't good. Might have been better off using Borgman who I thought looked pretty good in the first half of the year (Rielly could have gone to the right). Holl didn't get a fair look either.
Martin moore and komarov barely even played at a 4th line level this season, so ripping them for being employed as 4th liners when they weren't good enough. Why do they escape cristisim because they are only 4th liners? we were a far better team without Moore and Martin, even komarov to a lesser extent. If you can rip on Matthews for not scoring, why cant you rip on martin for not being NHL calibre?
glucker
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Well, what fans think on these boards has no effect on what the team does, so our bellyaching is just for shits and giggles.
That being said, Komarov, Martin, and Moore didn’t play in the playoffs for the same reason most fans didn’t want them playing throughout the year- we had better players we could have been using.
If Kapanen and Johnsson are in the line up from game one, maybe they have more of a chance to develop chemistry with other players on the team, and are more effective come playoff time. Hell, maybe we win more games because of them in the regular season, and wind up with home ice advantage.
Whining here about lineups doesn’t have any point, other than to kill boredom, but at the end of the day, it looks like the people who wanted more skill in the lineup had it right.
Not that I blame Babcock. It’s easy to pencil in line changes when you have no real responsibility for how the team plays. You don’t just scratch veterans to test out kids, right off the bat. Those guys had to earn their way up, and Komarov and Moore had to be given their chances as well.
I will blame Babcock if those two are left off the starting roster in favour of a knuckle dragged next season, though.
Our fans act like spoiled babies. Cry and whine, flood threads with pure garbage, acting like these players plugged their moms and sisters.
I'll never really get it. If you want to say that they aren't up to par, that's fine, but the personal hatred for people on your own team is busch league and childish. They're Maple Leafs, and while we may think that there are better options, get behind your ****ing team, and the players on it. This is the team. YOU have no control, so support the guys. And when a guy's time is done with your club, you thank them for their service to the logo and its fans, and move on.
I'll never really get it. If you want to say that they aren't up to par, that's fine, but the personal hatred for people on your own team is busch league and childish. They're Maple Leafs, and while we may think that there are better options, get behind your ****ing team, and the players on it. This is the team. YOU have no control, so support the guys. And when a guy's time is done with your club, you thank them for their service to the logo and its fans, and move on.
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A lot of fans feel it is their duty to complain about everything they see as wrong with the team, as though looking for consensus, or perhaps even searching for knowledge that the issue isn't really that bad. Or because they genuinely are getting irritated every time they see a player they don't like playing too high up the lineup so they slag they player and the coach as well. Some people just like to complain, and that's probably how they are away from the board as well. When the whining gets too much I just tune them out and avoid reading those posts. I haven't found a complainer so bad that I had to put them on ignore though, because not every post is negative, usually just about one or two things.
ShaneFalco
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Komarov was on the 2nd line for half the year and got PP time all year. That is complaint-worthy
Yes some take it too far, but we're here to discuss the team are we not? The good and bad?
Yes some take it too far, but we're here to discuss the team are we not? The good and bad?
zeke
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playing komarov may have cost us the series, tbh.
ShaneFalco
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Johnson would have scored 4 goals in each of those first two games? or was it komarov who allowed 7 goals. wtf
Well Komarov was a big part of our PK which crapped the bed in the first 2 games and a goal in the second period of Game 1 makes that a much different game. Not sure if/how many goals he was on for though.
zeke
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yes, Leo matching up against their top line was a disastrous decision.
You started a thread complaining about Kapanen at one point...
CantLoseWithMatthews
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Isn't this a little hypocritical considering you made a thread to rip on kapanen?
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CantLoseWithMatthews
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we're fans, not cheerleaders. blind support isn't a requirement
Yes it wasn't worth trading for them.
It was totally worth it because Babcock wouldn't have made the changes if we didn't complain enough.
It was totally worth it because Babcock wouldn't have made the changes if we didn't complain enough.
Duke Silver
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Should the Leafs not dress an optimal lineup?
Your threads frequently mystify me.
Your threads frequently mystify me.
socko
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Interesting to see this post while the Lightning's top line has been doing nothing (finally showed up yesterday) and they have been winning with their role players.
No, thank god there's other people around here who don't blindly accept incredibly stupid lineup decisions. The fact that it took our coach as long as he did to figure out Komarov is useless and done as a player (let alone play him on the f***ing PP?) should be pretty alarming. The Martin choice is pretty meh - but the overall picture still stands. You even saw Pittsburgh give Ryan Reeves a chance but they eventually gave up on that idea because they realized he just doesn't fit the identity of their team. Was just as obvious that Martin doesn't fit our team identity.
We could have spent all year developing Kapanen and Johnsson, but instead our coach was obsessed with working in useless plugs.
And depth players don't mattter?! What planet are you living on buddy?
We could have spent all year developing Kapanen and Johnsson, but instead our coach was obsessed with working in useless plugs.
And depth players don't mattter?! What planet are you living on buddy?
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