gerbilanium said:The new HF system or the old calgarypuck system? They seem quite the same???
Here's my stab at the Sharks.sharkyz15 said:1. Michalek 8.5A
2. Bernier 7.5B
3. Goc 7A
4. Hennessy7A
5. Ehrhoff 7C
6. Kaspar 7B
7. Carle 6.5B
8. Elechener 7C its hard to rate him i guess a 6.5 B also works
9. Morris 6.5A
10. Joseph 6.5B
Baron Von Shark said:Here's my stab at the Sharks.
1. Michalek 8B
2. Bernier 7.5B
3. Goc 6.5A
4. Hennessy7.5C
5. Ehrhoff 8C
6. Kaspar 7B
7. Carle 7B
8. Elechener 7C
9. Morris 6.5B
10. Joseph 7C
dem said:I'm an Oilers fan.. but O'Sullivan>Schremp
Schremp hasnt really shown that much..
Chimaera said:From the look of some of these rankings, the NHL is going to have a glut of Hall of Famers in a few years.
outKast said:buddy you have no clue what you're talking about. First off, Salmelainen is the closest to the NHL of those 3 and it's been said over and over that he has a shot for the team this year. The other two dont. Infact i think it's stupid, infact borderline Pejorative Slured of you to think so highly of Jesse Niinimaki. Niinimaki has taken a backseat to a mediocre prospect like Bergenheim at every international competition. To add to that he's not physical, he's not a goal scorer and his speed is waaaaaay overrated. As for Poulliot he's injury prone just like Niinimaki and if he does make it, he just doesnt have the tealent or abilities in my eyes (YES I've actually seen them both play and you havent) to be a top 6 forward. Good try though. It's not good to guess. It's best to base judgement using your opinions, not some garbage you read in a newspaper.
Saku K. said:NewHabsArea, this is your problem, you pick up whatever will float your boat and ignore the rest. Concerning Kastsitsyn, why do you ignore his (lack of) accomplishements? You rely on it to rate Danis but when it comes to Kastsitsyn, it doesn't matter anymore. It is not strange that you ignore Russianprospects.com, because they simply do not share your point of view. Russianprospects specialize in Russian prospects and they saw more than you, me and Dan Linn, why ignore them? It is not like there is a ton of informations on Kastsitsyn around the world either. Dan saw a couple of tapes while RP are an affiliation based in Russia itself, they do not predict how the kids will perform in North America but they have everything to be a solid source. I know you don't think they are a reliable source even though everything is pointing in the other direction.
Kastsitsyn is at best a 8.5C or a 8B IMO. Dan Linn, Russianprospects, heck I never saw anybody but you rank Kastsitsyn as a top-5 prospect in the league, there is good reasons nobody thinks like you. You probable disagreed with db23 when he told us Kastsitsyn was going to be a bust, he's at one extreme and you are at the other. What people see here is the overall picture of Kastsitsyn with the little known, an extremly talented player with a lack of accomplishement & a lot of differences sources with different opinions which leads to question marks. If you think he is the next stud first line forward, a top-5 prospect in the league, whatever floats your boat but don't expect anybody who tries to make a balanced analysis with the little known to agree with you. You think Komisarek will be a bigger Scott Stevens? At age 20, Stevens was already an All-star dominating two-way defenceman, Komisarek will have without a doubt a great NHL career but will not be even close to Stevens' career IMO.
I don't need to watch Urquhart play 10 times play to have an opinion on him, everybody who watches the Q beside you saw Hennessy having a better season, being the better offensive player period. PEI had a group of great forward, with great coaching & chemistry, no superstar. Urquhart has done little to improve his stock this year and did not particularly stand out in the Q. I know you prefer sources that says ''he stickhandled through 2 defencemans yesterday wow'' as sources but unfortunately Urquhart's rating is far closer to 7C, 7D or 6.5C than anything close to 7.5. ''Did you ever see them play? Thank you...'' isn't enough when most posters & people I know who watches the Q regularly disagree with you. Saying Hennessy is product of ice time and system while Urquhart is a victim of Vigneault just show you don't give credit where credit is due, I guess Ilya Kovalchuk is a product of Dany Heatley, ice time and system?
Halak and Lindberg have a long long way to go, based on developement camp, they have now legit starting goaltender potential after one year? That's a little premature don't you think?
montreal said:Well to be fair I don't agree with the comments that Kostitsyn has a lack of accomplishments. That's very off base. The guy was the top scorer at the Euro Ice Hockey Challenge which his team won (against weak comp though). His line was the top scoring line at the U-20's (which his team won). He was 3rd in scoring in the WC's (which his team won, and he was 1 of only 2 junior aged players on the team) He racked up the goals for CSKA-2 and came back in time to play in the champhionship series, helped CSKA-2 win the 1st league championship. He also helped his team in the EEHL in Minsk win the league champhionship. I could be the only one that's very impressed to see a 18-19 kid be a part of so many winning teams in one season. Yes he did jack in the RSL, as a 17 year old and the next year as an 18 year old. I can see why some question his abilities since he hasn't proven anything in the RSL. Time will tell. For the record I think he's the most skilled prospect I've seen for the Habs for some time. Who knows what success he will have. As for Russian prospects, Kosty only played in 11 games, and I saw 2 of them, so they couldn't have seen too many more games then me, since there's only 9 others. But Eugene and RP have been very helpful over the years. And he's a 8.5C now.
And I have to say I was very very impressed with Heino-Lindberg, he was the biggest surprise to me at the development camp. Very solid skills, I look forward to seeing him at the wjc's. same with Halak.
montreal said:Well to be fair I don't agree with the comments that Kostitsyn has a lack of accomplishments. That's very off base. The guy was the top scorer at the Euro Ice Hockey Challenge which his team won (against weak comp though). His line was the top scoring line at the U-20's (which his team won). He was 3rd in scoring in the WC's (which his team won, and he was 1 of only 2 junior aged players on the team) He racked up the goals for CSKA-2 and came back in time to play in the champhionship series, helped CSKA-2 win the 1st league championship. He also helped his team in the EEHL in Minsk win the league champhionship. I could be the only one that's very impressed to see a 18-19 kid be a part of so many winning teams in one season. Yes he did jack in the RSL, as a 17 year old and the next year as an 18 year old. I can see why some question his abilities since he hasn't proven anything in the RSL. Time will tell. For the record I think he's the most skilled prospect I've seen for the Habs for some time. Who knows what success he will have. As for Russian prospects, Kosty only played in 11 games, and I saw 2 of them, so they couldn't have seen too many more games then me, since there's only 9 others. But Eugene and RP have been very helpful over the years. And he's a 8.5C now.
And I have to say I was very very impressed with Heino-Lindberg, he was the biggest surprise to me at the development camp. Very solid skills, I look forward to seeing him at the wjc's. same with Halak.
Saku K. said:NewHabsArea, this is your problem, you pick up whatever will float your boat and ignore the rest. Concerning Kastsitsyn, why do you ignore his (lack of) accomplishements? You rely on it to rate Danis but when it comes to Kastsitsyn, it doesn't matter anymore. It is not strange that you ignore Russianprospects.com, because they simply do not share your point of view. Russianprospects specialize in Russian prospects and they saw more than you, me and Dan Linn, why ignore them? It is not like there is a ton of informations on Kastsitsyn around the world either. Dan saw a couple of tapes while RP are an affiliation based in Russia itself, they do not predict how the kids will perform in North America but they have everything to be a solid source. I know you don't think they are a reliable source even though everything is pointing in the other direction.
Maybe the fact he is'nt Russian but Belarussian? They could even not give him the appropriate medication for his epileptic probs... Do you seriously think they would have been as negligent if Zherdev or Ovechkin had this bad desease? Im probably paranoying... I rather trust Timmins, Woodlief and Gauthier than russianprospect.com
Kastsitsyn is at best a 8.5C or a 8B IMO. Dan Linn, Russianprospects, heck I never saw anybody but you rank Kastsitsyn as a top-5 prospect in the league, there is good reasons nobody thinks like you. You probable disagreed with db23 when he told us Kastsitsyn was going to be a bust, he's at one extreme and you are at the other. What people see here is the overall picture of Kastsitsyn with the little known, an extremly talented player with a lack of accomplishement & a lot of differences sources with different opinions which leads to question marks. If you think he is the next stud first line forward, a top-5 prospect in the league, whatever floats your boat but don't expect anybody who tries to make a balanced analysis with the little known to agree with you. You think Komisarek will be a bigger Scott Stevens? At age 20, Stevens was already an All-star dominating two-way defenceman, Komisarek will have without a doubt a great NHL career but will not be even close to Stevens' career IMO. Komisarek's upside is a smaller Zdeno Chara IMO & nothing close to Stevens.
Again... You are living in the past where the game had absoluly nothing comparable to how its played now... THere was alot more space on the ice, no trap, less overall skilled players, mainly goaltenders ect ect... You just cant compare numbers about 2 different generations... Komisarek will be a bigger Scott Stevens, him you saw in the last few years, thats all what I meant! Chara is sometime lazzy and not very compact, I really dislike this comparaison!
I don't need to watch Urquhart play 10 times play to have an opinion on him, everybody who watches the Q beside you saw Hennessy having a better season, being the better offensive player period. PEI had a group of great forward, with great coaching & chemistry, no superstar. Urquhart has done little to improve his stock this year and did not particularly stand out in the Q. I know you prefer sources that says ''he stickhandled through 2 defencemans yesterday wow'' as sources but unfortunately Urquhart's rating is far closer to 7C, 7D or 6.5C than anything close to 7.5. ''Did you ever see them play? Thank you...'' isn't enough when most posters & people I know who watches the Q regularly disagree with you. Saying Hennessy is product of ice time and system while Urquhart is a victim of Vigneault just show you don't give credit where credit is due, I guess Ilya Kovalchuk is a product of Dany Heatley, ice time and system?
You still try to make it look worst than it really is... Yes I gave a 7.5 rating to him since I think he has great offensive skills and upside, but I gave him a "C" rating (may or may not reach his potential)... Still, I was hesitating between a "C" or a "D" (unlikely to reach his potential)... You just said his rating is closer to 7C, 7D... So you are annoying me for a 0.5 more? About Hennessey Ive no more to say, he is just not one of my favorites and was given more ice time playing for a less skilled bunch of fowards, what explain his better numbers...
Halak and Lindberg have a long long way to go, based on developement camp, they have now legit starting goaltender potential after one year? That's a little premature don't you think?
They are very skilled, great technic from what I saw but like my ratings mean, they are far from the NHL for several reasons... Thats why I gave them a "D" rating.
Saku K. said:Good post. I was not talking about his pre-draft accomplishements but more with his struggles in the RSL. He did have good playoffs run against weaker opposition, I am aware of that. I do think he has a bit more offensive upside than Perezhogin with Perez having the edge defensively and being the more hard working player even though smaller. It will be interesting to follow his progression against stiffer competition in the AHL and I'm pretty optimistic about his capacity to suceed. I just don't think we should bank Kastsitsyn as a sure-shot first-liner with upside as a future HOF.
I saw Halak at the WJC, I thought he was solid but he has several things to work on and the Q will be a great place for him to learn even though he isn't sucessful so far in the pre-season. Slovakia never produced great goaltenders, Budaj has likely the highest upside & developed in the OHL while Lasak doesn't seem to be in the plans of the Predators. Halak was definitely a steal in the 9th round and has some upside to be a back-up goaltender one day IMO and being in the Q will only help him IMO. Like you said, time will tell how they develop I just think NewHabsArea over-rate our prospects or is very premature (even though discussing 19 years old prospects is always premature ) at the very least saying how Heino & Halak are potential starter after one year or by saying Kastsitsyn is a top-5 prospects in the league or giving Urquhart a 7.5 even though he did little to stand out in the Q etc.
Maybe the fact he is'nt Russian but Belarussian? They could even not give him the appropriate medication for his epileptic probs... Do you seriously think they would have been as negligent if Zherdev or Ovechkin had this bad desease? Im probably paranoying... I rather trust Timmins, Woodlief and Gauthier than russianprospect.com
Again... You are living in the past where the game had absoluly nothing comparable to how its played now... THere was alot more space on the ice, no trap, less overall skilled players, mainly goaltenders ect ect... You just cant compare numbers about 2 different generations... Komisarek will be a bigger Scott Stevens, him you saw in the last few years, thats all what I meant! Chara is sometime lazzy and not very compact, I really dislike this comparaison!
DutchLeafsfan said:Kastitsyn plays for a Russian team in the Russian Superliga. That team will do anything in their power to make their players perform as good as possible. If you think they were negligent just because Kastitsyn is from Belarus I think you may have read a bit to much on conspiracy theory.
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NewHabsArea said:When Gainey commented about Kostitsyn's possible probs to crack the Russia first division, he stated some reasons including the possibility that Kostitsyn was a stranger who did'nt grew up in the Russian system.