Rate your prospects using the new HF' system

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  1. NewHabsEra*

    NewHabsEra* Guest

    Here is how I would rate Canadiens' ones:

    Kostitsyn 9B
    Perezhogin 8B
    Higgins 7A
    Plekanec 7A
    Danis 7B
    Hainsey 8C
    Chipchura 6.5A
    Hossa 7B
    Urquhart 7.5C
    Lapierre 6.5B
    OByrn 6.5B
    Korneev 7.5D
    Lambert 7C
    Locke 7.5D
    Korpikari 6.5C
    Yemelin 6.5C
    Halak 7D
    Wyman 6.5C
    Milroy 6.5D
    Ferland 6C
    Lindberg 7D

    Ranking re-done

    1-Kostitsyn
    2-Perezhogin
    3-Plekanec
    4-Higgins
    5-Chipchura
    6-Hainsey
    7-Hossa
    8-Danis
    9-Urquhart
    10-Lapierre
    11-OByrn
    12-Lambert
    13-Locke
    14-Korneev
    15-Korpikari
    16-Yemelin
    17-Wyman
    18-Lindberg
    19-Halak
    20-Ferland
     
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  2. Jeffrey

    Jeffrey Registered User

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    here's my habs team:

    Kostitsyn 8.5C
    Perezhogin 8B
    Higgins 7A
    Plekanec 6.5A
    Danis 6.5B
    Hainsey 7.5C
    Chipchura 6A
    Hossa 7C
    Urquhart 7D
    Lapierre 5.5A
    OByrn 5B
    Korneev 7C
    Lambert 7D
    Locke 7.5D
    Korpikari 6C
    Yemelin 6.5D
    Halak 6.5C
    Wyman 7C
    Milroy 7F
    Ferland 5B
     
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  3. Cloned

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    This isn't meant as a criticism, but more out of curiosity (since I don't know much about Milroy): Why do you feel he deserves a F?
     
  4. Jeffrey

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    he has a good shot and performed well in the WHL in the past..
    but he didnt show any improvement or about any since he was drafted .. if he want to play in the NHL he needs to climb a mountain in terms of skatin,strenght and defensive awareness ... he still has good work ethic.. so I still give him a good 3 years before dumping him.. you never know ... he could be a late boomer...
    just my 2 cents ... :D
     
  5. Cloned

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    I see. Thanks for the info. :)
     
  6. Amen evil king

    Amen evil king Registered User

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    I actually agree with most of your list there, especially Kostitsyn. 9B is incredibly optimistic, but 8.5C is right on the money I reckon. :handclap:
     
  7. Big McLargehuge

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    1. Marc-Andre Fleury 9B
    2. Evgeni Malkin 9B
    3. Ryan Whitney 8C
    4. Noah Welch 7.5B
    5. Johannes Salmonsson 7.5C
    6. Ben Eaves 7A
    7. Maxime Talbot 7B
    8. Sergei Anshakov 7D
    9. Colby Armstrong 6.5B
    10. Andy Chiodo 7C
    11. Matt Murley 6.5C
    12. Michel Oullet 7F
    13. Patrick Bartschi 7F
    14. Paul Bissonnette 6B
    15. Ryan Stone 6B
    16. Daniel Fernholm 6.5F
    17. Vladimir Malenkykh 6.5C (rated lower in list than potential due to questions of him ever coming stateside)
    18. Daniel Carcillo 6C
    19. Jonathan Filewich 6C
    20. Ondrej Nemec 6C
     
  8. thestonedkoala

    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    Top 20 right?

    1/ Mikko Koivu 7.5C
    2/ Patrick O'Sullivan 8B
    3/ AJ Thelen 7.5B
    4/ Brent Burns 7C
    5/ Josh Harding 7.5B
    6/ Rickard Wallin 7B
    7/ Roman Voloshenko 6.5B
    8/ Adam Courchaine 6.5D
    9/ Matt Foy 7B
    10/ Stephane Veilleux 6C
    11/ Kyle Wanvig 5.5F
    12/ Danny Irmen 6C
    13/ Chris Heid 6C
    14/ Jean-Michel Bolduc 6.5C
    15/ Zbnyek Michalek 6C
    16/ Julian Sprunger 6.5C
    17/ Peter Olvecky 6C
    18/ Marc Cavosie 5.5D
    19/ Eric Reitz 5D
    20/ Clayton Stoner 5.5C
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    The rest:

    Aaron Boogaard 3D
    Derek Boogaard 5C
    Patrick Bordeleau 4.5D
    Dan Cavanaugh 4D
    Niklas Eckerblom 0F
    Mike Erickson 6C
    Ryan Jones 3D
    Kyle Kettles 4D
    Anton Khudobin 4D
    Marcin Kolusz 2F
    Miroslav Kopriva 4D
    Jordan Krestanovich 3D
    Mathieu Melanson 2F
    Georgi Misharin 6D
    Jean-Michel Rizk 3D
    Mark Rooneem 3D
    Jean-Claude Sawyer 3D
    Ryan Stokes 6C
    Mikhail Tyulyapkin 0F
    Kyle Wilson 3D
     
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  9. NYRangers

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    Heres how they did it...

    Heres mine...

    Left Wing
    1. Lauri Korpikoski 7.5A
    2. Nigel Dawes 6C
    3. Chad Wiseman 5.5D
    4. Roman Psurny 5C
    5. Marcus Jonasen 6C
    6. Mike Walsh 6C
    7. Alexandre Giroux 5.5D

    Center
    1. Jarkko Immonen 7C
    2. Petr Prucha 7B
    3. Darin Olver 7C
    4. Zdenek Bahensky 6.5C
    5. Bruce Graham 6.5C
    6. Garth Murray 6.5B
    7. Dwight Helminen 6.5B
    8. Dominic Moore 6C
    9. Ken Roche 6C
    10. Lee Falardeau 6C
    11. Brandon Dubinsky 5.5
    12. Juris Stals 5C
    13. Rick Kozak 5
    14. Nathan Martz 4.5
    15. Ivan Dornic 4
    16. Kim Hirschovits 4
    17. Layne Ulmer 3.5
    18. Petter Henning 2.5

    Right Wing
    1. Hugh Jessiman 8C
    2. Jozef Balej 7B
    3. Pontus Petterström 6C
    4. Greg Moore 5B
    5. Sven Helfenstein 3D
    6. Joey Crabb 2.5D
    7. Rob Flynn 2.5D

    Defence
    1. Fedor Tjutin 8A
    2. Thomas Pock 7B
    3. Maxim Kondratiev 7B
    4. Ivan Baranka 6.5C
    5. David Liffiton 6.5B
    6. Jake Taylor 6.5C
    7. Bryce Lampman 6C
    8. Nathan Guenin 5.5C
    9. Patrick Aufiero 5C
    10. Corey Potter 5C
    11. Dylan Reese 5C
    12. Rory Rawlyk 5C
    13. Premsyl Duben 4C
    14. Philippe Furrer 4C
    15. Leonid Zhvachin 3C

    Goalies
    1. Alvaro Montoya 8.5B
    2. Henrik Lundqvist 7.5B
    3. Chris Holt 5.5C
     
  10. sharkyz15

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    1. Michalek 8.5A
    2. Bernier 7.5B
    3. Goc 7A
    4. Hennessy7A
    5. Ehrhoff 7C
    6. Kaspar 7B
    7. Carle 6.5B
    8. Elechener 7C its hard to rate him i guess a 6.5 B also works
    9. Morris 6.5A
    10. Joseph 6.5B
     
  11. NewHabsEra*

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    Sorry but no way Hennessey is a lock as second line winger in the NHL..

    This guy has some major flaws to work on, he is in the same boat as a prospect like Urquhart... Some very nice offensive skills but will have to improve some area of his play a big time... 7C or 7.5C at best!

    I can live with Bernier 7.5B but this kid still have a long way to go too.
     
  12. thestonedkoala

    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    Your rankings were a bit high New Habs, I wouldn't call Kost a lock either...
     
  13. Russian_fanatic

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    umm.... no :p:
     
  14. Mathieu Lavergne

    Mathieu Lavergne AKA Saku K.

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    Tell me what are those MAJOR flaws he has to work on big time?

    Hennessy > Urquhart

    Hennessy is a solid 7B IMO. From the little I've read, he doesn't have the major flaws you are talking about, he lacks strenght and must work on his defensive game, nothing dramatic that can't be improved. Josh steadily improved his offensive output and had 40 goals in 59 games good for fifth in the Q and his supporting cast was less than impressive. Meanwhile, you hype Kastsitsyn as a sure-shot first-line winger without seeing him play and even if it is clear that Kastsitsyn's stock certainly didn't rise in 2003-04, you think he is a top 8 prospect in the world right now if not more. :dunno:
     
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  15. NewHabsEra*

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    Will see next season.. Kost is gonna play in the AHL... I must admit he is one of the rare Habs prospects I never saw play but reffering to the Habs brass and some other reliable sources, I think my rating is fair although a "C" could be more appropriate at the moment.
     
  16. thestonedkoala

    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    I like it better as a 8.5 or even an 8B
     
  17. outKast*

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    Edmonton Oilers
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    1. Jeff Deslauriers, G 7C

    2. Rob Schremp, C 7F

    3. Marc-Antoine Pouliot, C 6B

    4. Jesse Niinimäki, C 6F

    5. Doug Lynch, D 7B

    6. Jeff Woywitka, D 7A

    7. Matthew Greene, D 6C

    8. Devan Dubnyk, G 6.5B

    9. Jani Rita, LW 6A

    10. Alexei Mikhnov, LW 7F

    11. Tony Salmelainen, RW 6B

    12. Colin McDonald, RW 7C

    13. Kyle Brodziak, C 6.5C

    14. Joe Cullen, C 5B

    15. Tom Gilbert, D 5A

    16. Brad Winchester, RW 6.5C

    17. J.F. Jacques, LW 6B

    18. Roman Tesliuk, D 7C

    19. Brock Radunske, LW 5.5F

    20. Liam Reddox, LW 5A

    I would have ranked them higher but why bother when no one in these boards know anything/ or have seen any of the oiler prospects anyways. They'll end up downgrading most of these players so i decided to rank according to what i think people outside oiler fans actually think of these players. This really isnt my opinion. i think a lot of these players are good. That is why they are rated #3 in prospect depth. But again, NO ONE knows how good these prospects are.
     
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    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    Agreed there and NewHabs...you're handing out As and Bs as if they are candy...
     
  19. Legionnaire

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    7F for Schremp? I'd say that's a little low.

    Hmm how about 8.5 C/D

    Reasoning: he has the talent to be an elite player, but his skating and attitude may hold him back. If he makes it, he will be a great player. It's the making it part that I'm not sure of.
     
  20. NewHabsEra*

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    I saw him play several time... Urquhart > Hennessey

    First, you cant compare numbers... Vigneault is a coatch who like to roll 4 lines equally asking his kids to respect a close defensive system what is'nt the case with Hennessey playing for the Remparts... he gets more ice time, play without any system, he cheat defensively and float alot...

    Take a look at his differential for fun... This stat does'nt mean alot but what I know is that Hennessey does'nt play the game fairly, he cheat, what isnt the case with Urquhart growing up at the right school under Vigneault.. Hennessey is gonna have some trouble to adjust to the Pro level, especially in the Sharks' farm where every player is asked to play a responsible 2-way game...
     
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    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    I can see where this new system can be a big headache now...

    :rolleyes:

    OI! This is going to cause a lot more fighting that just why does he get an 8.5...now it's going to be why does he get an A or a B and a 8.5?
     
  22. NewHabsEra*

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    Call it hype if you want but dont blame me for that... You heard as much as me about how high is the organisation on Kost... Our writer (who I think is a very fair and knowledge guy) called him the most skilled prospect since Guy Lafleur having seen him a couple of times...

    On this one Im only reffering on what I heard, maybe should'nt I rate him until I see him play if you wish.. :dunno:
     
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  23. Ajacied

    Ajacied Stay strong Appie! ❤

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    Dallas Stars

    Stars have a lot of boom/bust types at the moment. There are also a few that are, even as prospects, too unproven or are too far away from the NHL to be given a B or higher. Hence, you'll see some higher grades than what HF gave them.

    01 - Trevor Daley 7.5B
    02 - Antti Miettinen 7.5B
    03 - Jussi Jokinen 7.0B
    04 - Loui Eriksson 8.0C
    05 - Dan Ellis 7.0B
    06 - Shawn Belle 8.0C
    07 - Johan Fransson 8.0C
    08 - Vojtach Polak 8.5D
    09 - Junior Lessard 7.0B
    10 - Tobias Stephan 7.5C
    11 - Matt Nickerson 6.5C
    12 - Yared Hagos 6.5B
    13 - Mark Fistric 6.0A
    14 - Dan Jancevski 6.0B
    15 - Joel Lundqvist 7.0D
    16 - Marius Holtet 6.5C
    17 - Mike Smith 6.0B
    18 - Alexander Naurov 7.0D
    19 - Brandon Crombeen 5.5B
    20 - Raymond Sawada 5.5B
     
  24. Mathieu Lavergne

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    Your opinion based on your ratings:

    Kastsitsyn: Upside: Superstar HOF Downside : First-line winger
    Perezhogin: Upside: First-line winger Dowside: Second-line winger
    Plekanec: Sure-shot second-liner
    Higgins: Sure-shot second-liner
    Danis: Upside: No 1A Downside: NHL backup
    Hainsey: upside: No 1 defenseman Downside: No 4 or 5 defenseman
    Chipchura: sure-shot above-average third-line forward
    Hossa: Upside: Second-line forward Downside: Third-line forward
    Urquhart: Upside: Elite second line forward Downside: Third-line forward
    Lapierre: Upside: above-average third-line forward Downside: Third-line forward
    O'Byrne: Upside: no 4 or 5 defenseman Downside: Third-pairing defenceman
    Korneev: Upside: No 2 defenceman Downside: Depth defenceman
    Lambert: Upside: Second-line forward Downside: Depth forward
    Locke: Upside: Elite second-line Downside: Depth forward
    Korpikari: Upside: No 4 or 5 defenceman Downside: Depth defenceman
    Yemelin: Upside: No 4 or 5 defenceman Downside: Depth defenceman
    Halak: Upside: No 1A Downside: Below-average backup
    Lindberg: No 1A Downside: Below-average backup

    Some of them are acceptable but otherwise wow just wow. :amazed:

    Not a lot of people will agree with your ''fair'' ratings IMO. Kryoptix's rating are not perfect but by far more realistic.

    And about Urquhart, he certainly didn't do anything to earn a 7.5, the big softie is certainly not known for his physical play, defensive awareness and his showing at the development camp wasn't all that encouraging either. It's not because you play in a defensive system that you are good defensively and seeing how fast Urquhart is and how soft he is, I'm sure his defensive play needs as much work as Hennessy's and it's not like a lot of skill Q forward are known for being great defensive player either. Urquhart should thank his good star he isn't 5'11. He has a good talent base to work with but I don't see why you rate him so highly when he doesn't particularly stand out in the Q.

    Good luck with your Hennessy is a cheater and the +/- arguement. I'm sure Sharks fans will have a lot of fun with that one.

    As for Kastsitsyn, why don't you stop saying he is a top-5 NHL prospect screaming to everybody how he is the next stud first-line forward when you never saw him play and never saw most of the top-20 prospect play? If you base your opinion on everything the HF writers say, go back in 2-3 years ago and go read what our writers were saying about Buturlin & co, you'll end up understanding that maybe prospects are very unpredictable and saying they are all great with great NHL potential without hesitation isn't the smartest way to go. Making the NHL isn't a walk in the park.

    Go to Russianprospects.com, you will see they don't talk about Kastsitsyn as highly as Dan Linn and I consider them to a be a good source of information. Dan is doing a great job and he knows more than me about our prospects but I'm open-minded enough to understand Dan Linn doesn't own a crystal ball. I've heard you say Komisarek is the next Scott Stevens so many times I don't even care to count anymore. :p: Marcel Hossa is powerforward, Jason Ward will score 50 points this year etc. Heck, you even think Mike Ribeiro, our leading scorer, will have to earn his ice time because of the great Habs prospects. :dunno:

    Don't you think you are overly optimistic sometimes because I hardly ever see you say anything negative about our prospects (beside if a great poster says otherwise) while you seem to be easily able to point out the flaws of a lot of other teams prospects and not being sold on them. :dunno:

    I appreciate your enthusiasm about our prospects but you are clearly over-rating some of them but it's not like I'm the first one to say this to you and I will not be the last one I'm pretty sure of that. ;)
     
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    current and outdated Top Prospects

    1. Igor Radulov, RW 7.5
    2. Anton Babchuk, D 6.5
    3. Mikhail Yakoubov, C 8
    4. Craig Anderson, G 6.5
    5. Pavel Vorobiev, RW 7
    6. Brent Seabrook, D 7.5
    7. Michal Barinka, D 6
    8. Duncan Keith, D 5
    9. Lasse Kukkonen, D 5.5
    10. Matt Keith, RW 6
    11. Colin Fraser, C 6
    12. Matt Ellison, RW 6.5
    13. Mike Brodeur, G 4
    14. Corey Crawford, G 6
    15. Alexander Kojevnikov, LW 6.5

    Mine:
    Barker 9B
    Babchuk 8B
    Yakubov 8B
    Seabrook 8B
    Vorobiev 7B
    Barinka 7B
    Radulov 6.75B
    Bolland 7B
    Crawford 7A
    Sindel 7B
    M Keith 6A
    Ellison 6A
    Kojevnikov 7C
    Wisniewski 6A
    Fraser 5A
    Gusev 6B
    Brodeur 6B
    Kukkonen 6B
    Byfuglien 6C
    Bickell 6C
    Berti 6C
    Garlock 6C

    Its hard to tell how to rank some of the guys. We have a couple guys who are sure fire NHLers, but their potential isnt as high as some of our prospects who arent sure things. A guy like Fraser is going to be a great 4th line player without a doubt, and possibly the next Barnaby, but he wont get further than that. Other guys like Sindel and Kojevnikov could possibly be 1st line talents, but they could also be guys who stay in Europe and never even make it to the NHL. And then theres guys like Wisniewski who has great talent, but his size puts him pretty far back on the Hawks awesome D chart. He will make it to the NHL, but most likely as a journyman and possibly something special for another team.
     
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