Rate your prospects using the new HF' system

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Here is how I would rate Canadiens' ones:

Kostitsyn 9B
Perezhogin 8B
Higgins 7A
Plekanec 7A
Danis 7B
Hainsey 8C
Chipchura 6.5A
Hossa 7B
Urquhart 7.5C
Lapierre 6.5B
OByrn 6.5B
Korneev 7.5D
Lambert 7C
Locke 7.5D
Korpikari 6.5C
Yemelin 6.5C
Halak 7D
Wyman 6.5C
Milroy 6.5D
Ferland 6C
Lindberg 7D

Ranking re-done

1-Kostitsyn
2-Perezhogin
3-Plekanec
4-Higgins
5-Chipchura
6-Hainsey
7-Hossa
8-Danis
9-Urquhart
10-Lapierre
11-OByrn
12-Lambert
13-Locke
14-Korneev
15-Korpikari
16-Yemelin
17-Wyman
18-Lindberg
19-Halak
20-Ferland
 
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here's my habs team:

Kostitsyn 8.5C
Perezhogin 8B
Higgins 7A
Plekanec 6.5A
Danis 6.5B
Hainsey 7.5C
Chipchura 6A
Hossa 7C
Urquhart 7D
Lapierre 5.5A
OByrn 5B
Korneev 7C
Lambert 7D
Locke 7.5D
Korpikari 6C
Yemelin 6.5D
Halak 6.5C
Wyman 7C
Milroy 7F
Ferland 5B
 
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Milroy 7F

This isn't meant as a criticism, but more out of curiosity (since I don't know much about Milroy): Why do you feel he deserves a F?
 

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Cloned said:
This isn't meant as a criticism, but more out of curiosity (since I don't know much about Milroy): Why do you feel he deserves a F?
he has a good shot and performed well in the WHL in the past..
but he didnt show any improvement or about any since he was drafted .. if he want to play in the NHL he needs to climb a mountain in terms of skatin,strenght and defensive awareness ... he still has good work ethic.. so I still give him a good 3 years before dumping him.. you never know ... he could be a late boomer...
just my 2 cents ... :D
 

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he has a good shot and performed well in the WHL in the past..
but he didnt show any improvement or about any since he was drafted .. if he want to play in the NHL he needs to climb a mountain in terms of skatin,strenght and defensive awareness ... he still has good work ethic.. so I still give him a good 3 years before dumping him.. you never know ... he could be a late boomer...
just my 2 cents ... :D

I see. Thanks for the info. :)
 

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Kryoptix said:
here's my habs team:

Kostitsyn 8.5C
Perezhogin 8B
Higgins 7A
Plekanec 6.5A
Danis 6.5B
Hainsey 7.5C
Chipchura 6A
Hossa 7C
Urquhart 7D
Lapierre 5.5A
OByrn 5B
Korneev 7C
Lambert 7D
Locke 7.5D
Korpikari 6C
Yemelin 6.5D
Halak 6.5C
Wyman 7C
Milroy 7F
Ferland 5B

I actually agree with most of your list there, especially Kostitsyn. 9B is incredibly optimistic, but 8.5C is right on the money I reckon. :handclap:
 

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1. Marc-Andre Fleury 9B
2. Evgeni Malkin 9B
3. Ryan Whitney 8C
4. Noah Welch 7.5B
5. Johannes Salmonsson 7.5C
6. Ben Eaves 7A
7. Maxime Talbot 7B
8. Sergei Anshakov 7D
9. Colby Armstrong 6.5B
10. Andy Chiodo 7C
11. Matt Murley 6.5C
12. Michel Oullet 7F
13. Patrick Bartschi 7F
14. Paul Bissonnette 6B
15. Ryan Stone 6B
16. Daniel Fernholm 6.5F
17. Vladimir Malenkykh 6.5C (rated lower in list than potential due to questions of him ever coming stateside)
18. Daniel Carcillo 6C
19. Jonathan Filewich 6C
20. Ondrej Nemec 6C
 

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Top 20 right?

1/ Mikko Koivu 7.5C
2/ Patrick O'Sullivan 8B
3/ AJ Thelen 7.5B
4/ Brent Burns 7C
5/ Josh Harding 7.5B
6/ Rickard Wallin 7B
7/ Roman Voloshenko 6.5B
8/ Adam Courchaine 6.5D
9/ Matt Foy 7B
10/ Stephane Veilleux 6C
11/ Kyle Wanvig 5.5F
12/ Danny Irmen 6C
13/ Chris Heid 6C
14/ Jean-Michel Bolduc 6.5C
15/ Zbnyek Michalek 6C
16/ Julian Sprunger 6.5C
17/ Peter Olvecky 6C
18/ Marc Cavosie 5.5D
19/ Eric Reitz 5D
20/ Clayton Stoner 5.5C
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The rest:

Aaron Boogaard 3D
Derek Boogaard 5C
Patrick Bordeleau 4.5D
Dan Cavanaugh 4D
Niklas Eckerblom 0F
Mike Erickson 6C
Ryan Jones 3D
Kyle Kettles 4D
Anton Khudobin 4D
Marcin Kolusz 2F
Miroslav Kopriva 4D
Jordan Krestanovich 3D
Mathieu Melanson 2F
Georgi Misharin 6D
Jean-Michel Rizk 3D
Mark Rooneem 3D
Jean-Claude Sawyer 3D
Ryan Stokes 6C
Mikhail Tyulyapkin 0F
Kyle Wilson 3D
 
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Heres how they did it...

Left Wing
1. Lauri Korpikoski 7A
2. Roman Psurny 6.5C
3. Marcus Jonasen 6C
4. Mike Walsh 6C
5. Nigel Dawes 6C
6. Alexandre Giroux 5.5D
7. Chad Wiseman 4D

Center
1. Darin Olver 7C
2. Zdenek Bahensky 6.5C
3. Garth Murray 6.5B
4. Dominic Moore 6C
5. Lee Falardeau 6C
6. Ken Roche 6C
7. Bruce Graham 6C
8. Petr Prucha 6B
9. Jarkko Immonen 6B
10. Dwight Helminen 5.5B
11. Brandon Dubinsky 5.5
12. Juris Stals 5C
13. Rick Kozak 5
14. Nathan Martz 4.5
15. Ivan Dornic 4
16. Kim Hirschovits 4
17. Layne Ulmer 3.5
18. Petter Henning 2.5

Right Wing
1. Hugh Jessiman 7.5B
2. Jozef Balej 7.5A
3. Pontus Petterström 6C
4. Greg Moore 5B
5. Sven Helfenstein 3D
6. Joey Crabb 2.5D
7. Rob Flynn 2.5D

Defence
1. Fedor Tjutin 8.5A
2. Thomas Pock 7B
3. Maxim Kondratiev 7B
4. Jake Taylor 6.5B
5. David Liffiton 6.5B
6. Ivan Baranka 6C
7. Bryce Lampman 6B
8. Nathan Guenin 5.5C
9. Patrick Aufiero 5C
10. Corey Potter 5C
11. Dylan Reese 5C
12. Rory Rawlyk 5C
13. Premsyl Duben 4C
14. Philippe Furrer 4C
15. Leonid Zhvachin 3C

Goalies
1. Alvaro Montoya 8B
2. Henrik Lundqvist 6.5B
3. Chris Holt 4.5C

Heres mine...

Left Wing
1. Lauri Korpikoski 7.5A
2. Nigel Dawes 6C
3. Chad Wiseman 5.5D
4. Roman Psurny 5C
5. Marcus Jonasen 6C
6. Mike Walsh 6C
7. Alexandre Giroux 5.5D

Center
1. Jarkko Immonen 7C
2. Petr Prucha 7B
3. Darin Olver 7C
4. Zdenek Bahensky 6.5C
5. Bruce Graham 6.5C
6. Garth Murray 6.5B
7. Dwight Helminen 6.5B
8. Dominic Moore 6C
9. Ken Roche 6C
10. Lee Falardeau 6C
11. Brandon Dubinsky 5.5
12. Juris Stals 5C
13. Rick Kozak 5
14. Nathan Martz 4.5
15. Ivan Dornic 4
16. Kim Hirschovits 4
17. Layne Ulmer 3.5
18. Petter Henning 2.5

Right Wing
1. Hugh Jessiman 8C
2. Jozef Balej 7B
3. Pontus Petterström 6C
4. Greg Moore 5B
5. Sven Helfenstein 3D
6. Joey Crabb 2.5D
7. Rob Flynn 2.5D

Defence
1. Fedor Tjutin 8A
2. Thomas Pock 7B
3. Maxim Kondratiev 7B
4. Ivan Baranka 6.5C
5. David Liffiton 6.5B
6. Jake Taylor 6.5C
7. Bryce Lampman 6C
8. Nathan Guenin 5.5C
9. Patrick Aufiero 5C
10. Corey Potter 5C
11. Dylan Reese 5C
12. Rory Rawlyk 5C
13. Premsyl Duben 4C
14. Philippe Furrer 4C
15. Leonid Zhvachin 3C

Goalies
1. Alvaro Montoya 8.5B
2. Henrik Lundqvist 7.5B
3. Chris Holt 5.5C
 

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1. Michalek 8.5A
2. Bernier 7.5B
3. Goc 7A
4. Hennessy7A
5. Ehrhoff 7C
6. Kaspar 7B
7. Carle 6.5B
8. Elechener 7C its hard to rate him i guess a 6.5 B also works
9. Morris 6.5A
10. Joseph 6.5B
 

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sharkyz15 said:
1. Michalek 8.5A
2. Bernier 7.5B
3. Goc 7A
4. Hennessy7A
5. Ehrhoff 7C
6. Kaspar 7B
7. Carle 6.5B
8. Elechener 7C its hard to rate him i guess a 6.5 B also works
9. Morris 6.5A
10. Joseph 6.5B

Sorry but no way Hennessey is a lock as second line winger in the NHL..

This guy has some major flaws to work on, he is in the same boat as a prospect like Urquhart... Some very nice offensive skills but will have to improve some area of his play a big time... 7C or 7.5C at best!

I can live with Bernier 7.5B but this kid still have a long way to go too.
 

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Sorry but no way Hennessey is a lock as second line winger in the NHL..

This guy has some major flaws to work on, he is in the same boat as a prospect like Urquhart... Some very nice offensive skills but will have to improve some area of his play a big time... 7C or 7.5C at best!

I can live with Bernier 7.5B but this kid still have a long way to go too.

Tell me what are those MAJOR flaws he has to work on big time?

Hennessy > Urquhart

Hennessy is a solid 7B IMO. From the little I've read, he doesn't have the major flaws you are talking about, he lacks strenght and must work on his defensive game, nothing dramatic that can't be improved. Josh steadily improved his offensive output and had 40 goals in 59 games good for fifth in the Q and his supporting cast was less than impressive. Meanwhile, you hype Kastsitsyn as a sure-shot first-line winger without seeing him play and even if it is clear that Kastsitsyn's stock certainly didn't rise in 2003-04, you think he is a top 8 prospect in the world right now if not more. :dunno:
 
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Your rankings were a bit high New Habs, I wouldn't call Kost a lock either...

Will see next season.. Kost is gonna play in the AHL... I must admit he is one of the rare Habs prospects I never saw play but reffering to the Habs brass and some other reliable sources, I think my rating is fair although a "C" could be more appropriate at the moment.
 

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1. Jeff Deslauriers, G 7C

2. Rob Schremp, C 7F

3. Marc-Antoine Pouliot, C 6B

4. Jesse Niinimäki, C 6F

5. Doug Lynch, D 7B

6. Jeff Woywitka, D 7A

7. Matthew Greene, D 6C

8. Devan Dubnyk, G 6.5B

9. Jani Rita, LW 6A

10. Alexei Mikhnov, LW 7F

11. Tony Salmelainen, RW 6B

12. Colin McDonald, RW 7C

13. Kyle Brodziak, C 6.5C

14. Joe Cullen, C 5B

15. Tom Gilbert, D 5A

16. Brad Winchester, RW 6.5C

17. J.F. Jacques, LW 6B

18. Roman Tesliuk, D 7C

19. Brock Radunske, LW 5.5F

20. Liam Reddox, LW 5A

I would have ranked them higher but why bother when no one in these boards know anything/ or have seen any of the oiler prospects anyways. They'll end up downgrading most of these players so i decided to rank according to what i think people outside oiler fans actually think of these players. This really isnt my opinion. i think a lot of these players are good. That is why they are rated #3 in prospect depth. But again, NO ONE knows how good these prospects are.
 

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7F for Schremp? I'd say that's a little low.

Hmm how about 8.5 C/D

Reasoning: he has the talent to be an elite player, but his skating and attitude may hold him back. If he makes it, he will be a great player. It's the making it part that I'm not sure of.
 

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Tell me what are those MAJOR flaws he has to work on big time?



I've read.

I saw him play several time... Urquhart > Hennessey

First, you cant compare numbers... Vigneault is a coatch who like to roll 4 lines equally asking his kids to respect a close defensive system what is'nt the case with Hennessey playing for the Remparts... he gets more ice time, play without any system, he cheat defensively and float alot...

Take a look at his differential for fun... This stat does'nt mean alot but what I know is that Hennessey does'nt play the game fairly, he cheat, what isnt the case with Urquhart growing up at the right school under Vigneault.. Hennessey is gonna have some trouble to adjust to the Pro level, especially in the Sharks' farm where every player is asked to play a responsible 2-way game...
 

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I can see where this new system can be a big headache now...

:rolleyes:

OI! This is going to cause a lot more fighting that just why does he get an 8.5...now it's going to be why does he get an A or a B and a 8.5?
 

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you hype Kastsitsyn as a sure-shot first-line winger without seeing him play and even if it is clear that Kastsitsyn's stock certainly didn't rise in 2003-04, you think he is a top 8 prospect in the world right now if not more. :dunno:

Call it hype if you want but dont blame me for that... You heard as much as me about how high is the organisation on Kost... Our writer (who I think is a very fair and knowledge guy) called him the most skilled prospect since Guy Lafleur having seen him a couple of times...

On this one Im only reffering on what I heard, maybe should'nt I rate him until I see him play if you wish.. :dunno:
 
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Stars have a lot of boom/bust types at the moment. There are also a few that are, even as prospects, too unproven or are too far away from the NHL to be given a B or higher. Hence, you'll see some higher grades than what HF gave them.

01 - Trevor Daley 7.5B
02 - Antti Miettinen 7.5B
03 - Jussi Jokinen 7.0B
04 - Loui Eriksson 8.0C
05 - Dan Ellis 7.0B
06 - Shawn Belle 8.0C
07 - Johan Fransson 8.0C
08 - Vojtach Polak 8.5D
09 - Junior Lessard 7.0B
10 - Tobias Stephan 7.5C
11 - Matt Nickerson 6.5C
12 - Yared Hagos 6.5B
13 - Mark Fistric 6.0A
14 - Dan Jancevski 6.0B
15 - Joel Lundqvist 7.0D
16 - Marius Holtet 6.5C
17 - Mike Smith 6.0B
18 - Alexander Naurov 7.0D
19 - Brandon Crombeen 5.5B
20 - Raymond Sawada 5.5B
 

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Your opinion based on your ratings:

Kastsitsyn: Upside: Superstar HOF Downside : First-line winger
Perezhogin: Upside: First-line winger Dowside: Second-line winger
Plekanec: Sure-shot second-liner
Higgins: Sure-shot second-liner
Danis: Upside: No 1A Downside: NHL backup
Hainsey: upside: No 1 defenseman Downside: No 4 or 5 defenseman
Chipchura: sure-shot above-average third-line forward
Hossa: Upside: Second-line forward Downside: Third-line forward
Urquhart: Upside: Elite second line forward Downside: Third-line forward
Lapierre: Upside: above-average third-line forward Downside: Third-line forward
O'Byrne: Upside: no 4 or 5 defenseman Downside: Third-pairing defenceman
Korneev: Upside: No 2 defenceman Downside: Depth defenceman
Lambert: Upside: Second-line forward Downside: Depth forward
Locke: Upside: Elite second-line Downside: Depth forward
Korpikari: Upside: No 4 or 5 defenceman Downside: Depth defenceman
Yemelin: Upside: No 4 or 5 defenceman Downside: Depth defenceman
Halak: Upside: No 1A Downside: Below-average backup
Lindberg: No 1A Downside: Below-average backup

Some of them are acceptable but otherwise wow just wow. :amazed:

Not a lot of people will agree with your ''fair'' ratings IMO. Kryoptix's rating are not perfect but by far more realistic.

And about Urquhart, he certainly didn't do anything to earn a 7.5, the big softie is certainly not known for his physical play, defensive awareness and his showing at the development camp wasn't all that encouraging either. It's not because you play in a defensive system that you are good defensively and seeing how fast Urquhart is and how soft he is, I'm sure his defensive play needs as much work as Hennessy's and it's not like a lot of skill Q forward are known for being great defensive player either. Urquhart should thank his good star he isn't 5'11. He has a good talent base to work with but I don't see why you rate him so highly when he doesn't particularly stand out in the Q.

Good luck with your Hennessy is a cheater and the +/- arguement. I'm sure Sharks fans will have a lot of fun with that one.

As for Kastsitsyn, why don't you stop saying he is a top-5 NHL prospect screaming to everybody how he is the next stud first-line forward when you never saw him play and never saw most of the top-20 prospect play? If you base your opinion on everything the HF writers say, go back in 2-3 years ago and go read what our writers were saying about Buturlin & co, you'll end up understanding that maybe prospects are very unpredictable and saying they are all great with great NHL potential without hesitation isn't the smartest way to go. Making the NHL isn't a walk in the park.

Go to Russianprospects.com, you will see they don't talk about Kastsitsyn as highly as Dan Linn and I consider them to a be a good source of information. Dan is doing a great job and he knows more than me about our prospects but I'm open-minded enough to understand Dan Linn doesn't own a crystal ball. I've heard you say Komisarek is the next Scott Stevens so many times I don't even care to count anymore. :p: Marcel Hossa is powerforward, Jason Ward will score 50 points this year etc. Heck, you even think Mike Ribeiro, our leading scorer, will have to earn his ice time because of the great Habs prospects. :dunno:

Don't you think you are overly optimistic sometimes because I hardly ever see you say anything negative about our prospects (beside if a great poster says otherwise) while you seem to be easily able to point out the flaws of a lot of other teams prospects and not being sold on them. :dunno:

I appreciate your enthusiasm about our prospects but you are clearly over-rating some of them but it's not like I'm the first one to say this to you and I will not be the last one I'm pretty sure of that. ;)
 
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current and outdated Top Prospects

1. Igor Radulov, RW 7.5
2. Anton Babchuk, D 6.5
3. Mikhail Yakoubov, C 8
4. Craig Anderson, G 6.5
5. Pavel Vorobiev, RW 7
6. Brent Seabrook, D 7.5
7. Michal Barinka, D 6
8. Duncan Keith, D 5
9. Lasse Kukkonen, D 5.5
10. Matt Keith, RW 6
11. Colin Fraser, C 6
12. Matt Ellison, RW 6.5
13. Mike Brodeur, G 4
14. Corey Crawford, G 6
15. Alexander Kojevnikov, LW 6.5

Mine:
Barker 9B
Babchuk 8B
Yakubov 8B
Seabrook 8B
Vorobiev 7B
Barinka 7B
Radulov 6.75B
Bolland 7B
Crawford 7A
Sindel 7B
M Keith 6A
Ellison 6A
Kojevnikov 7C
Wisniewski 6A
Fraser 5A
Gusev 6B
Brodeur 6B
Kukkonen 6B
Byfuglien 6C
Bickell 6C
Berti 6C
Garlock 6C

Its hard to tell how to rank some of the guys. We have a couple guys who are sure fire NHLers, but their potential isnt as high as some of our prospects who arent sure things. A guy like Fraser is going to be a great 4th line player without a doubt, and possibly the next Barnaby, but he wont get further than that. Other guys like Sindel and Kojevnikov could possibly be 1st line talents, but they could also be guys who stay in Europe and never even make it to the NHL. And then theres guys like Wisniewski who has great talent, but his size puts him pretty far back on the Hawks awesome D chart. He will make it to the NHL, but most likely as a journyman and possibly something special for another team.
 
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