Tribute Rasmus Sandin Discussion Thread

[Dog]

If he ends up half as good as Salming we are in for a treat.

 

[ULF_55]

So Poulin said the Leafs should trade Sandin for a top 4 D. That pretty much sums up Poulin

Bobo shut him down.

Said no Sandin, Liljegren or Robertson.

 

[RoadWarrior]

However the burning question is whether Sandin is better than Marincin??

Can Marty ever be replaced by a mere mortal?

 

[stickty111]

Hes a clown who should be banned from tv

I forgot about this shots quote he said when he was here.



To think he was part of our management team:

 

[Mickey Marner]

So Poulin said the Leafs should trade Sandin for a top 4 D. That pretty much sums up Poulin

Reminds me of 'our' Poulin. The guy was one of the worst executives in Maple Leafs history, which is an impressive feat.

 

[biotk]

Among 240 D in the NHL who have played at least 100 5v5 minutes this season - Pts/60:
1) Sandin - 2.31
2) Carlson - 2.163
32) Barrie - 1.22
33) Rielly - 1.19
39) Holl - 1.17

Among 240 D in the NHL who have played at least 100 5v5 minutes this season - GA/60:
8) Sandin - 1.39
69) Ceci - 2.15
162) Dermott - 2.72
168) Holl - 2.76
176) Rielly -2.79

Now, obviously those numbers are not going to hold, but he has been consistently dangerous offensively throughout and consistently responsible defensively (on a team where few other players are). This shouldn't have been a shock to anyone. He will be at a top-4 D level quickly - despite how much Keefe and Dubas want to ease him in. While he is not the strongest, or fastest or most experienced D on the team, he is probably the smartest.

Yet, despite this fanbase (like every fanbase) overexaggerating the abilities and potential of all their prospects, over the last several weeks when a number of people on this forum made up lineups for next year at best he was placed on the third pairing (at best). And back when camp started almost no one thought he was a serious candidate to make the team - even though scouts and the Leafs' players knew that he was. This has been due to a consistent campaign by a small number of posters on here who have repeatedly said that he is bad defensively and was not ready.

 

[Duke Silver]

Among 240 D in the NHL who have played at least 100 5v5 minutes this season - Pts/60:
1) Sandin - 2.31
2) Carlson - 2.163
32) Barrie - 1.22
33) Rielly - 1.19
39) Holl - 1.17

Among 240 D in the NHL who have played at least 100 5v5 minutes this season - GA/60:
8) Sandin - 1.39
69) Ceci - 2.15
162) Dermott - 2.72
168) Holl - 2.76
176) Rielly -2.79

Now, obviously those numbers are not going to hold, but he has been consistently dangerous offensively throughout and consistently responsible defensively (on a team where few other players are). This shouldn't have been a shock to anyone. He will be at a top-4 D level quickly - despite how much Keefe and Dubas want to ease him in. While he is not the strongest, or fastest or most experienced D on the team, he is probably the smartest.

Yet, despite this fanbase (like every fanbase) overexaggerating the abilities and potential of all their prospects, over the last several weeks when a number of people on this forum made up lineups for next year at best he was placed on the third pairing (at best). And back when camp started almost no one thought he was a serious candidate to make the team - even though scouts and the Leafs' players knew that he was. This has been due to a consistent campaign by a small number of posters on here who have repeatedly said that he is bad defensively and was not ready.

"Now, obviously those numbers are not going to hold..."

*posts anyways*

 

[biotk]

"Now, obviously those numbers are not going to hold..."

*posts anyways*

Feel free to not read my posts.

 

[BigBlu]

Love his game. Love his makeup. He came right on time.

 

[LeafsNation75]

 

[LeafsNation75]

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

"Now, obviously those numbers are not going to hold..."

*posts anyways*

so what? Clearly it's meant to describe how his play has been so far, not a proclamation that Sandin will be the best defenseman in the league now

 

[LeafsNation75]

So Poulin said the Leafs should trade Sandin for a top 4 D. That pretty much sums up Poulin

Does Poulin not realize that Sandin is already a defenseman?

 

[stickty111]

Does Poulin not realize that Sandin is already a defenseman?

He says the weirdest things.

 

[LeafsNation75]

He says the weirdest things.

At least Brendan Shanhan made the right decision when he fired him.

 

[stickty111]

At least Brendan Shanhan made the right decision when he fired him.

Another NHL team hasn't and probably will never hire him again.

 

[Duke Silver]

so what? Clearly it's meant to describe how his play has been so far, not a proclamation that Sandin will be the best defenseman in the league now

With a sample size this small (roughly 100min at the NHL level), trying to infer anything from the results is silly, as the results are prone to wild swings.

I'm a big fan of Sandin, by the way, but let's not get carried away and start drawing conclusions or making comparisons before we have enough evidence.

When you have to introduce caveats like the above prior to presenting your findings, it all just feels meaningless. Which it is.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Another NHL team hasn't and probably will never hire him again.

That's why he's working at TSN.

I'm just reading about him and after his NHL career was finished he went onto be the coach at Notre Dame, than Brian Burke hired him as Vice-President of Hockey Operations in July 2009. So he had no previous experience in NHL management before working with the Maple Leafs.

 

[stickty111]

That's why he's working at TSN.

I'm just reading about him and after his NHL career was finished he went onto be the coach at Notre Dame, than Brian Burke hired him as Vice-President of Hockey Operations in July 2009. So he had no previous experience in NHL management before working with the Maple Leafs.

Yikes that makes Burke look bad.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I don't think we should be worried about easing him in, I want to see what he looks like with 20 minutes.

 

[LeafsNation75]

 

[Nithoniniel]

He says the weirdest things.

That breakdown of their first goal was ridiculous. He emphatically answers yes, and then goes on to describe the sequence in a way that makes it clear that it was Marner and Matthews that screwed up, with Holl just doing a pinch like he's supposed to.

I've said it a hundred times. Canada is the home of hockey and has a plethora of smart, knowledgeable, and personable analysts available, yet continues to employ guys like Poulin and Millen. It's very hard to understand. Get Mike Johnston in there. He's a smart guy that not only knows what he's talking about, can actually give you interesting analysis, break down plays in a correct fashion, and he's very good at communicating all that knowledge. Of course, I also like that he's willing to learn and understand even as an analysts. He's another Ray Ferraro in my opinion.

 

[93LEAFS]

Reminds me of 'our' Poulin. The guy was one of the worst executives in Maple Leafs history, which is an impressive feat.

Poulin wasn't in a high-enough position to even be in the discussion. I mean, the regimes he was part of were terrible, but there is a long-list of GM's ahead of him. Although, not sure how much of the Ballard era you can hold against GM's.

Plus, as bad as people were at being Hockey-OPs they were just bad at their job, no one is worse than any Maple Leaf executive who turned a blind eye to Gordon Stuckless and sexual abuse at the Gardens.

 

[al secord]

When Poulin and Jeff O'Neill start going off, i'm always surprised that Bob doesn't just get up and walk away.

"I'm done. I can't do this anymore."

 

[ACC1224]

Can someone post this quote from Poulin where he says 'the Leafs should trade Sandin" ?

I fully admit I don't listen that intently to the talking heads but I did listen too that sequence and I never heard that.