Rasmus Dahlin

[koyvoo]

He better develop his wristshot. Too much of hesitsting in the follow thru. Easy for goalie to read.

I mean more often than not, 18 year olds develop their skills by a significant margin by the time they reach their full potential.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

He better develop his wristshot. Too much of hesitsting in the follow thru. Easy for goalie to read.

Definitely, but he’s 18. Would be shocked if he doesn’t improve that and his speed- a lil more muscle via offseason and the sky’s the limit.

 

[ZEBROA]

I dont think Dahlin is generational, but i dont think you have to be better or as good as Gretzky or Mario to be considerded generational. Right now among forwards Mc David is generational. Among D, who knows.

 

[Signupnow]

I dont think Dahlin is generational, but i dont think you have to be better or as good as Gretzky or Mario to be considerded generational. Right now among forwards Mc David is generational. Among D, who knows.

Is Mcdavid as good as gretzky or mario?

 

[ZEBROA]

Is Mcdavid as good as gretzky or mario?

I thought wrote that you dont have to be that good. So No he is not.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Heiskanen plays 30 mins a night, PP and PK. Dahlin on the 2nd line 20mins. Theres a legit argument for Heiskanen without any "bias".

Ristolainen plays an absurd amount of minutes sometimes, too. Last year, Risto was 8th in the NHL in average ES TOI per game. The year prior he was 6th, and the year before that 15th. Over the last several seasons, he's arguably played some of the toughest minutes of any D in the league in addition to playing a ton of them. Is he better than all the guys who played less than him?

Minutes don't necessarily directly correlate with quality of play, except maybe as relative to teammates. Especially true on teams that have 0 blue line depth (a feature the current Stars and Sabres of years past share).

 

[elmaco]

Ristolainen plays an absurd amount of minutes sometimes, too. Last year, Risto was 8th in the NHL in average ES TOI per game. The year prior he was 6th, and the year before that 15th. Over the last several seasons, he's arguably played some of the toughest minutes of any D in the league in addition to playing a ton of them. Is he better than all the guys who played less than him?

Minutes don't necessarily directly correlate with quality of play, except maybe as relative to teammates. Especially true on teams that have 0 blue line depth (a feature the current Stars and Sabres of years past share).

Risto is a beast i concur, i merely pointed out the situation with Heiskanen being thrown in to a #1D role in his rookie year and succeeding with all-star performance. Not a knock on Dahlin on any way but the other kid is just simply playing a more demanding role responsibility wise.

 

[Unspecified]

Next year we can look how Dahlin is looking and compare to this year finish flash. Sure both are rookies but he is one year older. it will in the end look like risto being compared to EK like he did after his first Season. Where is risto now? ha ha ha. Go to sleep, at the end of the day heisk would be honored to open the door for dahlin.

You make it sound like the difference between 18 and 19 skills wise is this huge gap when it is not. People are so quick to throw out "Oh Dahlin is 18 wow, but Heiskanen is 19 so he is way older...blah blah". Have you watched what Heiskanen is doing in Dallas or are you just arm chairing like most uninformed people? Heiskanen can also play both LD/RD, he plays in ALL scenarios, does Dahlin? Nope.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

McDavid didn't win a Calder either and good luck to any defenseman hope of winning a Calder when a rookie forward is having a big year.

Cause he was injured.....

 

[McSpecial DraiBlend]

Came away very impressed with my first viewing of him.
His poise that cant be taught and he already has an amazing stretch pass

 

[Mattilaus]

Love how yet again this thread has turned into a Heiskanen thread. A thread is made to appreciate how good Dahlin is and your first thought is "well I better go in there and tell them all about how Heiskanen is better!" Seriously, what happened in your life that makes you think this way?

 

[Havok89]

You make it sound like the difference between 18 and 19 skills wise is this huge gap when it is not. People are so quick to throw out "Oh Dahlin is 18 wow, but Heiskanen is 19 so he is way older...blah blah". Have you watched what Heiskanen is doing in Dallas or are you just arm chairing like most uninformed people? Heiskanen can also play both LD/RD, he plays in ALL scenarios, does Dahlin? Nope.

There’s a reason Dahlin’s on pace to do something only two other defenseman have done in NHL history, score 40+ points as an defenseman in their 18 year old season. Ekblad the only recent comparable but he also had freakish physical attributes at 18 years old.

Heiskanen has been solid and every Buffalo fan would love to have him on their team. Playing more minutes is really the only thing he clearly has over Dahlin right now, and that doesn’t come close to overcoming the 18/19 age gap between the two, and the extra year of development and getting stronger that comes with it.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

He was advertised as a generational player and so far he hasn’t lived up to the hype

Ekblad won the Calder. Dahlia won’t even win that.

Every year every 1st overall has generational hype. His was less then most so i seriously question your hockey knowledge if you bought into it. Hughes currently has far more generational hype then Dahlin did and just to save you the outcome... he wont be and will just be a very good hockey player.

 

[tsujimoto74]

You make it sound like the difference between 18 and 19 skills wise is this huge gap when it is not. People are so quick to throw out "Oh Dahlin is 18 wow, but Heiskanen is 19 so he is way older...blah blah". Have you watched what Heiskanen is doing in Dallas or are you just arm chairing like most uninformed people? Heiskanen can also play both LD/RD, he plays in ALL scenarios, does Dahlin? Nope.

It's a massive gap for defensemen. There's a reason we routinely see 19yo D sticking in the NHL but almost never 18yos.
Dahlin also plays both left and right side and predominantly played right prior to this year, so I guess thanks for making it obvious to everyone exactly how little you know about him.

 

[truthbluth]

I can't believe how long this Miro Heiskanen thread is.

 

[Unspecified]

It's a massive gap for defensemen. There's a reason we routinely see 19yo D sticking in the NHL but almost never 18yos.
Dahlin also plays both left and right side and predominantly played right prior to this year, so I guess thanks for making it obvious to everyone exactly how little you know about him.

So thanks for making it obvious to the masses how much of a gap you think there is between an 18 year old and 19 year old ROOKIE. So I guess thanks for making it obvious to everyone exactly how little you know about development of prospects, Kudos!

 

[wetcoast]

I always hate the definitions of "generational". But one I will apply to be a "generational prospect" is at a minimum you have to be projected as the future #1 pick for at least 3-4 years before the draft, and keep that #1 draft status the entire time.

I dislike the term and how loosley it's applied at times but that's what I use for prospects and the few players who hit the NHL running at an extremely high level D+1 year, something Dahlin has indeed done.

3-4 years worked alot better when the NHL draft was for 20 year olds, so I use the age 15-16 for the current 18 year old draft.

 

[Signupnow]

You make it sound like the difference between 18 and 19 skills wise is this huge gap when it is not. People are so quick to throw out "Oh Dahlin is 18 wow, but Heiskanen is 19 so he is way older...blah blah". Have you watched what Heiskanen is doing in Dallas or are you just arm chairing like most uninformed people? Heiskanen can also play both LD/RD, he plays in ALL scenarios, does Dahlin? Nope.

It's not about skills, it's how much different dahlin will be physically next year who still looks like a child. .

 

[dasaybz]

You make it sound like the difference between 18 and 19 skills wise is this huge gap when it is not. People are so quick to throw out "Oh Dahlin is 18 wow, but Heiskanen is 19 so he is way older...blah blah". Have you watched what Heiskanen is doing in Dallas or are you just arm chairing like most uninformed people? Heiskanen can also play both LD/RD, he plays in ALL scenarios, does Dahlin? Nope.

This is pretty funny because if you actually watched Dahlin you would know that he can play LD/RD and plays in all scenarios.

 

[Chimpradamus]

I dont think Dahlin is generational, but i dont think you have to be better or as good as Gretzky or Mario to be considerded generational. Right now among forwards Mc David is generational. Among D, who knows.

Well, according to the old timers, every player that should be defined as generational has to dominate as much as Orr, Gretzky and Lemieux did. Since the league is actually competitive now and every player and position can play hockey at a top level, we can just retire the entire word, because by the defintion of the old schools, there will never be a generational player again.

 

[dasaybz]

Every year every 1st overall has generational hype. His was less then most so i seriously question your hockey knowledge if you bought into it. Hughes currently has far more generational hype then Dahlin did and just to save you the outcome... he wont be and will just be a very good hockey player.

Wrong...

This thread is really ugly.

 

[sufferer]

Love how yet again this thread has turned into a Heiskanen thread. A thread is made to appreciate how good Dahlin is and your first thought is "well I better go in there and tell them all about how Heiskanen is better!" Seriously, what happened in your life that makes you think this way?

Heiskanen will be the Matthews to Dahlin's McDavid. He even has the snout for the job.

 

[sdf]

Why sweden so f***ing skilled, is this into their nordic dna?

 

[Washed Up 29YearOld]

You make it sound like the difference between 18 and 19 skills wise is this huge gap when it is not. People are so quick to throw out "Oh Dahlin is 18 wow, but Heiskanen is 19 so he is way older...blah blah". Have you watched what Heiskanen is doing in Dallas or are you just arm chairing like most uninformed people? Heiskanen can also play both LD/RD, he plays in ALL scenarios, does Dahlin? Nope.

Dahlin can play both LD and RD too. Before you claim something you should probably research it to back it up. He's on pp1. & one year of development between 18- 20 is a HUGE gap. Dahlin won't be 19 until 4 months. Troll

 

[Honest M]

Dahlin can catch that Calder if not EP is up and running with speed soon .