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19bruins19 said:That would make Enforcers franchise players.
Not really...See, I think scorers would bring more than enforcers simply because the NHL is moving away from the fighting.
19bruins19 said:That would make Enforcers franchise players.
It is trying but the real fans want it. See how smart the NHL is, pissing off old time fans to apeal to the new non violence crowd.DoobieDoobieDo said:Not really...See, I think scorers would bring more than enforcers simply because the NHL is moving away from the fighting.
Then your term would be totally incorrect.DoobieDoobieDo said:My term for franchise is this: Will the player in question bring fans to the game? If they do, then they are a franchise player. If you don't think O'Sullivan is going to bring people to the XCel Center...Well you aren't looking at the same prospect I am.
Carl O'Steen said:I could say the same about your "Patrick O'Sullivan has Franchise player potential"... and the fact that you have Wild players at 1, 2, 3, and 5.
Carl O'Steen said:Not sure, that's a hypothetical situation.
Until someone can prove that Kyle Wellwood isn't as good as atleast Brad Boyes, I see no reason why Wellwood's ranked behind Boyes.
Size...
Wellwood: 5'10, 190
Boyes: 6'1, 195
Junior career...
Wellwood: 344 points in 244 games, +85
Boyes: 309 points in 233 games, +58
AHL...
Wellwood: 108 points, 124 games, +1
Boyes: 183 points, 206 games, +9
NHL...
Wellwood: 1 game
Boyes: 1 game
Age...
Wellwood: May of 1983
Boyes: April of 1982
- Neither are great skaters.
- Wellwood is a better offensive player.
- As of today, the better defensive player is a toss up.
- Boyes plays a more physical game.
It can be said that if Wellwood weren't a prospect of the Toronto Maple Leafs, he wouldn't be looked at under the same light as he is. The guy's one of the most skilled AHL prospects and seems to be looked at as a long shot...yet he's only 21 years old and the 7th leading scorer in the AHL. Of the top 50 point producers in the AHL, there are only 7 younger than him.
Spezza
Bergeron
Staal
Brown
Kesler
Stajan
Lupul
Yet, he's looked at as a long shot because of his lack of breakaway speed, size (which shouldn't be an issue), and style of play (finesse).
I have never ever ever in my life met any TML fan that's even attempted to compare Jason Spezza to Kyle Wellwood.Jovanovski = Norris said:It is hard to judge two players' future NHL careers simply by infering with their junior stats.
Case in point, Spezza vs Wellwood. Leaf fans kept on trying to compare Wellwood to Spezza even though Spezza is much much better.
Spezza has 353 points in 228 games in the OHL.
Wellwood has 344 points in 244 games in the OHL.
Spezza was born in July 1983
Wellwood was born in May 1983
But is Spezza better? Yes, much much better.
Differences between Spezza, Boyes and Wellwood will be amplified by many folds when all three have their tries at the NHL. In the OHL, slow small players may get by with elegant stick-handling but in the NHL, Boyes and Spezza won't be hindered by their size. In addition, their hockey sense and quick releases will allow them to better adapt to the NHL.
Jovanovski = Norris said:It is hard to judge two players' future NHL careers simply by infering with their junior stats.
Case in point, Spezza vs Wellwood. Leaf fans kept on trying to compare Wellwood to Spezza even though Spezza is much much better.
Spezza has 353 points in 228 games in the OHL.
Wellwood has 344 points in 244 games in the OHL.
Spezza was born in July 1983
Wellwood was born in May 1983
But is Spezza better? Yes, much much better.
Differences between Spezza, Boyes and Wellwood will be amplified by many folds when all three have their tries at the NHL. In the OHL, slow small players may get by with elegant stick-handling but in the NHL, Boyes and Spezza won't be hindered by their size. In addition, their hockey sense and quick releases will allow them to better adapt to the NHL.
Carl O'Steen said:I have never ever ever in my life met any TML fan that's even attempted to compare Jason Spezza to Kyle Wellwood.
Stop pulling crap like that just to make TML fans look stupid.
No, he said Leaf fans kept comparing Wellwood to Spezza... considering I've never ever seen this happen before (seriously), he's just trying to make TML fans look stupid.RangerFan13 said:I think his point was that stats can make players seem comparable when they are not. As far as Wellwood vs. Boyes, it's far too early to make judgements. Both have shown promise.
Carl O'Steen said:No, he said Leaf fans kept comparing Wellwood to Spezza... considering I've never ever seen this happen before (seriously), he's just trying to make TML fans look stupid.
If you haven't noticed, J=N has been following me around, trying to put up a fight against any of my POV's. Even if they're not related to the Canucks.
I can say the sky is blue, he'd come back with "how do you know that?"
Carl O'Steen said:No, he said Leaf fans kept comparing Wellwood to Spezza... considering I've never ever seen this happen before (seriously), he's just trying to make TML fans look stupid.
If you haven't noticed, J=N has been following me around, trying to put up a fight against any of my POV's. Even if they're not related to the Canucks.
I can say the sky is blue, he'd come back with "how do you know that?"
The one where he said that Crosby had time to catch Wellwood in the skills department?Epsilon said:I guess you missed that ridiculously long Wellwood thread where Messenger was doing exactly that.
He won't be knocking guys over, but he did bulk up over the summer.mooseOAK said:Yeah, Boyes will be knocking guys over, not.
As far as hockey sense goes, you obviously haven't seen the offensive plays Wellwood makes on a game by game basis that no players in the AHL can do. And, he isn't slow.
Carl O'Steen said:No, he said Leaf fans kept comparing Wellwood to Spezza... considering I've never ever seen this happen before (seriously), he's just trying to make TML fans look stupid.
If you haven't noticed, J=N has been following me around, trying to put up a fight against any of my POV's. Even if they're not related to the Canucks.
I can say the sky is blue, he'd come back with "how do you know that?"
Carl O'Steen said:I have never ever ever in my life met any TML fan that's even attempted to compare Jason Spezza to Kyle Wellwood.
Stop pulling crap like that just to make TML fans look stupid.