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  1. Jamie

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    How would you rate these prospects based on potential from best to worst. I know it's hard to pit differant positions against each other, but it's slightly part of the reason I picked the guy's I did here.

    Boyes, Boychuk, Wellwood, Harding, Thelen, O'Sullivan, Burns

    I look forward to hearing some thoughts and lists:)
     
  2. Jason MacIsaac

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    O'Sullivan
    Thelen (still huge potential)
    Burns
    Harding
    Boychuk
    Boyes
    Wellwood
     
  3. thestonedkoala

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    O'Sullivan (huge upside)
    Burns
    Thelen (him and Burns are interchangeable. I put Burns ahead because well he is playing in the AHL and showing some mad skills)
    Boychuk
    Harding
    Boyes
    Wellwood
     
  4. leafaholix*

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    O'Sullivan
    Harding
    Wellwood
    Burns
    Boyes
    Thelen
    Boychuk
     
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    O'Sullivan
    Thelen
    Burns
    Boyes
    Boychuk
    Harding
    Wellwood

    Out of these prospects I like Burns and Thelen the most. Both have solid upsides as defensemen and are very interesting prospects to take note of. They are underrated and could likely be a dominant NHL duo. If I'd have to fish for a comparison, they could probably Aucoin - Schneider pairing in te future for the Wilds.
     
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    O'Sullivan
    Thelen
    Harding
    Boychuk
    Burns
    Boyes
    Wellwood
     
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    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    Wellwood over Burns, Boyes, Thelen, and Boychuk? Wow...
     
  8. leafaholix*

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    I could say the same about your "Patrick O'Sullivan has Franchise player potential"... and the fact that you have Wild players at 1, 2, 3, and 5.
     
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    O'Sullivan
    Burns
    Thelen
    Boyes
    Harding
    Wellwood
    Boychuk
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    Let's see: O'Sullivan is captain of his team in Mississuaga (we won't speak about his breaking curfew)...And his team has never been better. He was assistant captain at the World Junior Championship, so I'm guessing some of the coaching staff saw something in O'Sullivan that we probably don't know about because hey, we're just guys on a forum. He makes almost all the players around him better. His assists show that since he was supposedly a pure goal scorer and yet has some impressive numbers for assists. Hmm, let's see what else? Oh yeah the fact that he stuck with Mississuaga when guys like Spezza and Schremp (no offense to them but...) left for better teams.

    Yeah, I'm guessing O'Sullivan won't make that much of an impact on a Wild team that isn't just looking for a goal scorer but also someone to make the team better.

    I would also argue I guess that Burns, Thelen, and Boychuk all could be interchangeable and if Thelen continues on the pace he is going, I would put Boychuk over him. If I remember correctly Boychuk has a wicked slapshot, so, and has I believe seen some time in the NHL?
     
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    So two homerisms make an objective statement? There's HF boards math for you...
     
  13. leafaholix*

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    Nice to see you can pull all of that out of thin air.

    Boychuk has a great shot... so what?

    And no, he hasn't seen any NHL time. He's a rookie in the AHL.
     
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    Whoops, that Babchuk...*sighs* Boychuk, Babchuk...Damn CHUKS!

    What thin air?

    Let's see...

    O'Sullivan is currently the captain of the Mississauga IceDogs, correct? I believe so.

    He was an assistant captain at the World Junior Championships right? I believe he was...

    He has 19 goals, 38 assists is that correct? I believe so, and I believe you can read some articles just before the Juniors on him, where the scout praises Sully's passes...

    Let's see...in 2000-2001 the IceDogs were 3 and 56...Following that they were 11and 47..in 02-03 they were 23 and 31...and last year they were 36 and 21...In his final year the Dogs are 23 and 15...Pretty damn good turnaround for a team that has some internal issues.
     
  15. leafaholix*

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    That may all be correct, but how is it relevant to my comments?
     
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    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    What did I pull out of the air?

    He wanted potential...

    O'Sullivan's potential is a franchise to star player...It depends on what your definition is on franchise but he has the tools and I think he's going to bring in the crowd to Minnesota. I mean come on...O'Sullivan to Gaborik is going to be really sweet.

    Burns has the potential to be a very solid top 4 defenseman. The thing is he knows how to crash the net like a forward and his numbers are miss leading.

    Thelen has had a rough year sure but the potential is still there.

    Harding has less of a potential than Boychuk but is pretty solid IMO. I mean in 16 games he has a .929 SV%...his numbers would look better if Taffe didn't knock him out...
     
  17. leafaholix*

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    Gaborik has Franchise player potential, at best O'Sullivan has the potential to be a star. Maybe your standards for the term "Franchise player" is much lower than most peoples.

    Potential doesn't win over production + potential.

    I'd take a goalie over a defenseman anyday. I like Harding, I think he can be a good #1, great #2 goalie one day.
     
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    I have wild prospects at 1,2,3 and 5 as well. I guess i'm a huge Wild homer as well?

    I agree that O'Sullivan doesn't have Franchise potential, though.
     
  19. leafaholix*

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    Fact that you have Wellwood LAST clearly negates your list from the "logical" pile.

    ;)
     
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    To each their own, my friend.

    Of course you have to ask yourself, "Do I really want to lump myself in with someone whose idol is Todd Bertuzzi?"



    Well, do ya, punk?
     
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    Seems that a lot of people have Wellwood last or next to last.

    Ask yourself this: if Wellwood was a prospect for ANY other team, would you consider him a better prospect than the guys listed, or just another junior scorer with a remote shot at making the show?
     
  22. leafaholix*

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    Not sure, that's a hypothetical situation.

    Until someone can prove that Kyle Wellwood isn't as good as atleast Brad Boyes, I see no reason why Wellwood's ranked behind Boyes.

    Size...

    Wellwood:
    5'10, 190
    Boyes: 6'1, 195

    Junior career...

    Wellwood:
    344 points in 244 games, +85
    Boyes: 309 points in 233 games, +58

    AHL...

    Wellwood:
    108 points, 124 games, +1
    Boyes: 183 points, 206 games, +9

    NHL...

    Wellwood:
    1 game
    Boyes: 1 game

    Age...

    Wellwood:
    May of 1983
    Boyes: April of 1982

    - Neither are great skaters.
    - Wellwood is a better offensive player.
    - As of today, the better defensive player is a toss up.
    - Boyes plays a more physical game.

    It can be said that if Wellwood weren't a prospect of the Toronto Maple Leafs, he wouldn't be looked at under the same light as he is. The guy's one of the most skilled AHL prospects and seems to be looked at as a long shot...yet he's only 21 years old and the 7th leading scorer in the AHL. Of the top 50 point producers in the AHL, there are only 7 younger than him.

    Spezza
    Bergeron
    Staal
    Brown
    Kesler
    Stajan
    Lupul

    Yet, he's looked at as a long shot because of his lack of breakaway speed, size (which shouldn't be an issue), and style of play (finesse).
     
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    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    My term for franchise is this: Will the player in question bring fans to the game? If they do, then they are a franchise player. If you don't think O'Sullivan is going to bring people to the XCel Center...Well you aren't looking at the same prospect I am.
     
  24. That would make Enforcers franchise players. :shakehead
     
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    O'Sullivan
    Burns
    Boyes
    Harding
    Boychuk
    Thelen ( i see him play at state all the time, and i just dont see "NHLer" in him)
    Wellwood
     
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