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Where does Niklas Kronwall rank among all-time Red Wings defensemen?
Here's where he ranks in some career stats.
Games played, 953.
3rd, behind Lidstrom and Pronovost.
Goals, 83
4th, behind Lidstrom, Larson and Kelly
Assists. 349.
3rd. Behind Lidstrom and Larson.
Points, 432
4th, behind Lidstrom, Larson and Kelly.
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Other considerations.
Lidstrom 7 Norris Trophies
Coffey 1 Norris Trophy
Kelly 1 Norris Trophy
Kronwall - Finished 10, 13 and 14 in Norris voting.
Konstantinov. 446 games. 175 points. _+185. Finished 2nd and 4th in Norris voting.
Coffey - 231 games 239 points. +72. Won once, finished 9th, 9th and 7th.
Chelios - 578 games. 152 points. +158. Finished 2nd, 6th and 17th in Norris voting.
Pronovost. 983 games. 297 points. 5 top 5 finishes.
Kelly 846 games 472 points. One Norris. 3 more top 3 finishes. 5 top 10 finishes in Hart voting. Won the first Norris, or might have several more.
Larson 708 games 570 points. -139. 10th, 10th and 18th in voting.
Lidstrom 1564 games. 1142 points. +450. 7 Norris trophies. 7 Norris trophies. 10 more top 10 finishes. 7 top 10 Hart finishes.
Gary Bergman. 706 games. 303 points. +2-. 1 top 10 Norris finish.
Rafalski. 292 games. 204 points. +78. 9th, 9th and 12th in Norris voting.
Larry Murphy. 312 games. 171 points. Whatever.
Obviously, Lidstrom is #1. Kelly is easily #2. I think Pronovost locks up #3 easily.
But after that, things get tricky.
In terms of goals, assists and points and games, Kronwall and Larson can easily lay claim to 4th. Larson easily bests Kronwall in the G-A-P department, but Kronwall played in a tighter era and won a cup, while Larson lost a ton.
Then there are some of the players who weren't here as long, but made a huge impact. Konstantinov. Chelios. Rafalski. Coffey.
Coffey won a Norris. Konstantinov should have won a Norris. Chelios was 2nd in Norris voting. Chelios won 2 cups. Konstantinov and Rafalski won cups.
I go with Vladdie here, because he was near the top of the league... a major impact player and he played a lot more games than someone like Coffey or Rafalski.
I chose Kronwall over Larson because he played in a tougher era and won a cup.
#1. Niklas Lidstrom
#2. Red Kelly
#3. Marcel Pronovost
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#4. VladimirKonstantinov
#5. Niklas Kronwall
#6. Chris Chelios
#7. Reed Larson
#8. Paul Coffey
#9. Brian Rafalski
#10. Larry Murphy
Side note:
Don't look now, but Ericsson is 6th all time in games played among Red Wings defensemen. Could easily move into 4th by the end of the season.
Dekeyser is 14th. Could be top 10 by the end of the season.
Here's where he ranks in some career stats.
Games played, 953.
3rd, behind Lidstrom and Pronovost.
Goals, 83
4th, behind Lidstrom, Larson and Kelly
Assists. 349.
3rd. Behind Lidstrom and Larson.
Points, 432
4th, behind Lidstrom, Larson and Kelly.
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Other considerations.
Lidstrom 7 Norris Trophies
Coffey 1 Norris Trophy
Kelly 1 Norris Trophy
Kronwall - Finished 10, 13 and 14 in Norris voting.
Konstantinov. 446 games. 175 points. _+185. Finished 2nd and 4th in Norris voting.
Coffey - 231 games 239 points. +72. Won once, finished 9th, 9th and 7th.
Chelios - 578 games. 152 points. +158. Finished 2nd, 6th and 17th in Norris voting.
Pronovost. 983 games. 297 points. 5 top 5 finishes.
Kelly 846 games 472 points. One Norris. 3 more top 3 finishes. 5 top 10 finishes in Hart voting. Won the first Norris, or might have several more.
Larson 708 games 570 points. -139. 10th, 10th and 18th in voting.
Lidstrom 1564 games. 1142 points. +450. 7 Norris trophies. 7 Norris trophies. 10 more top 10 finishes. 7 top 10 Hart finishes.
Gary Bergman. 706 games. 303 points. +2-. 1 top 10 Norris finish.
Rafalski. 292 games. 204 points. +78. 9th, 9th and 12th in Norris voting.
Larry Murphy. 312 games. 171 points. Whatever.
Obviously, Lidstrom is #1. Kelly is easily #2. I think Pronovost locks up #3 easily.
But after that, things get tricky.
In terms of goals, assists and points and games, Kronwall and Larson can easily lay claim to 4th. Larson easily bests Kronwall in the G-A-P department, but Kronwall played in a tighter era and won a cup, while Larson lost a ton.
Then there are some of the players who weren't here as long, but made a huge impact. Konstantinov. Chelios. Rafalski. Coffey.
Coffey won a Norris. Konstantinov should have won a Norris. Chelios was 2nd in Norris voting. Chelios won 2 cups. Konstantinov and Rafalski won cups.
I go with Vladdie here, because he was near the top of the league... a major impact player and he played a lot more games than someone like Coffey or Rafalski.
I chose Kronwall over Larson because he played in a tougher era and won a cup.
#1. Niklas Lidstrom
#2. Red Kelly
#3. Marcel Pronovost
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#4. VladimirKonstantinov
#5. Niklas Kronwall
#6. Chris Chelios
#7. Reed Larson
#8. Paul Coffey
#9. Brian Rafalski
#10. Larry Murphy
Side note:
Don't look now, but Ericsson is 6th all time in games played among Red Wings defensemen. Could easily move into 4th by the end of the season.
Dekeyser is 14th. Could be top 10 by the end of the season.