Confirmed with Link: Rangers Select Igor Shestyorkin (G - Russia) with 118th Overall Pick

[mike14]

There is a minority here that, like me, believe our overall drafting has been below average and well below average, specifically, in creating dynamic offensive players.

Last years draft of duke, tambo and buch helped a lot but before them there were virtually no highly skilled forwards in the system and still today we have almost no one in the offensive dman role in the entire organization that we drafted other than calle Anderson.

Our top centerman is a Phoenix draft pick.

Were 23/30 teams in the 13/14 rankings on this site. Our best roster player and top forward prospect were both drafted by Montreal.

Some of you here love Gordie and his results. Other like me don't. It's that simple.

Surely Stepan is our best centerman? Even Brassard isn't a PHO pick...
Miller (the majorities #1 fwd prospect) isn't a Montreal pick, I assume you are talking about Kristo who is well down the list.

You don't have to like our drafting, but some of your past makes no sense

 

[offdacrossbar]

Surely Stepan is our best centerman? Even Brassard isn't a PHO pick...
Miller (the majorities #1 fwd prospect) isn't a Montreal pick, I assume you are talking about Kristo who is well down the list.

You don't have to like our drafting, but some of your past makes no sense

Yes I meant our top prospect centerman accordingly to this site. Lindberg

Let me clarify and inform.

Kristo is our top prospect. I don't agree but that what it says here

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/new_york_rangers/

He was a Montreal pick.

Mcdonagh same. Montreal. He's our best roster skater.

Make more sense now ?

 

[mike14]

Yes I meant our top prospect centerman accordingly to this site. Lindberg

Let me clarify and inform.

Kristo is our top prospect. I don't agree but that what it says here

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/new_york_rangers/

He was a Montreal pick.

Mcdonagh same. Montreal. He's our best roster skater.

Make more sense now ?

Much more, especially the centreman part

Very surprised to see any site having Kristo as our top ranked prospect

 

[offdacrossbar]

Much more, especially the centreman part

Very surprised to see any site having Kristo as our top ranked prospect

Yup. I don't agree. He may be our most offensively skilled and longest tenured prospect but I would say miller is that guy now.

Anyway, my general point is that we don't draft or produce high end offensive any things. And a team that can't score can't afford to do that.

The future is coming fast.

 

[gravey9]

Yup. I don't agree. He may be our most offensively skilled and longest tenured prospect but I would say miller is that guy now.

Anyway, my general point is that we don't draft or produce high end offensive any things. And a team that can't score can't afford to do that.

The future is coming fast.

This is true in some ways, but also a somewhat shortsighted view. In the cap era, its critical that teams plug in youth every single year. Having miller, lindberg and fast pan out on the bottom 6 has a huge impact as it allows us to field a balanced squad.

When you then factor in Lundquist being in his prime, we're probably not drafting before 15 in the first round for the next several years. So, you're looking at boom/bust picks - see Evgeny Grachev or Christian Thomas as perfect examples. And it's very important that we get at least 1 player in every draft to make the team just for cap reasons alone. So, while it may have been a huge mistake not drafting tarasenko or fowler in 2010 (#10 overall), it's not like we've been in that high draft spot since. I have a feeling Iverson, Shestyorkin and Walcott will be our best bets from this draft. We'll see.

 

[Zil]

There is a minority here that, like me, believe our overall drafting has been below average and well below average, specifically, in creating dynamic offensive players.

What do you expect from them? Look where they've been picking. It's extremely difficult to land top line talent when you basically don't pick before the third round. The only way to fill the system with the kind of talent you're looking for would be to take nothing but boom or bust guys. Would you prefer they constantly risk getting absolutely nothing out of their drafts? The goal is always going to be finding a balance. They went high risk last year. This year they filled in some organizational holes. It's not the sexiest draft, but I'll be fine with it as long as it yields effective players.

Last years draft of duke, tambo and buch helped a lot but before them there were virtually no highly skilled forwards in the system and still today we have almost no one in the offensive dman role in the entire organization that we drafted other than calle Anderson.

If you're going to gripe at least be accurate. They just drafted two pure offensive defensemen in Walcott and Nanne. They just signed Mat Bodie. They just added Petr Zamorsky, who's supposed to have some offensive talent too. Heck, Conor Allen just put up 31 points in Hartford.

Our top centerman is a Phoenix draft pick.

Clark's been running our drafts since 2007. As much as I hated the McIlrath pick, none of the guys they passed on were star centers. The last superstar center prospect we whiffed on was Claude Giroux in 2006 under Maloney. You can't ask Clark to draft players who don't exist. He did nab Stepan for us and the jury is still out on Miller, Nieves, and Tambellini. I guess you could blame him for passing on Ryan O'Reilly, but he did use that pick on some kid named Chris Kreider.

Were 23/30 teams in the 13/14 rankings on this site. Our best roster player and top forward prospect were both drafted by Montreal.

Some of you here love Gordie and his results. Other like me don't. It's that simple.

A) I really don't care what HF's prospect rankings say. Kristo's not close to being our best prospect and nobody other than Leslie Treff thinks that he is. Skjei, Duclair, Buchnevich, and Miller are all Clark picks last time I checked.

B) Who cares that Montreal drafted McDonagh or that Phoenix drafted Lindberg? They're both players that we acquired because Clark's scouting staff targeted them. They're both still products of our system. It's laughable that having Ryan McDonagh as our best player is somehow a bad thing to you because we didn't draft him. Oh no, our young, Norris-caliber defensemen wasn't a Rangers pick.

Maybe you don't remember what it was like to be a Rangers fan in the late 90s and early 2000s, but I do. That's what an actual poorly run farm system looks like. Clark's been excellent.

 

[Raspewtin]

What do you expect from them? Look where they've been picking. It's extremely difficult to land top line talent when you basically don't pick before the third round. The only way to fill the system with the kind of talent you're looking for would be to take nothing but boom or bust guys. Would you prefer they constantly risk getting absolutely nothing out of their drafts? The goal is always going to be finding a balance. They went high risk last year. This year they filled in some organizational holes. It's not the sexiest draft, but I'll be fine with it as long as it yields effective players.



If you're going to gripe at least be accurate. They just drafted two pure offensive defensemen in Walcott and Nanne. They just signed Mat Bodie. They just added Petr Zamorsky, who's supposed to have some offensive talent too. Heck, Conor Allen just put up 31 points in Hartford.



Clark's been running our drafts since 2007. As much as I hated the McIlrath pick, none of the guys they passed on were star centers. The last superstar center prospect we whiffed on was Claude Giroux in 2005 under Maloney. You can't ask Clark to draft players who don't exist. He did nab Stepan for us and the jury is still out on Miller, Nieves, and Tambellini. I guess you could blame him for passing on Ryan O'Reilly, but he did use that pick on some kid named Chris Kreider.



A) I really don't care what HF's prospect rankings say. Kristo's not close to being our best prospect and nobody other than Leslie Treff thinks that he is. Skjei, Duclair, Buchnevich, and Miller are all Clark picks last time I checked.

B) Who cares that Montreal drafted McDonagh or that Phoenix drafted Lindberg? They're both players that we acquired because Clark's scouting staff targeted them. They're both still products of our system. It's laughable that having Ryan McDonagh as our best player is somehow a bad thing to you because we didn't draft him. Oh no, our young, Norris-caliber defensemen wasn't a Rangers pick.

Maybe you don't remember what it was like to be a Rangers fan in the late 90s and early 2000s, but I do. That's what an actual poorly run farm system looks like. Clark's been excellent.

Literally couldn't have put it any better, well done.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Literally couldn't have put it any better, well done.

Except that we missed out on Giroux in 2006, not 2005.

But yeah, hard to pick top end talent when we aren't drafting in the top 3-5. You can't ask Gordie Clark to magically draft top end talent in the spots where we've been drafting.

 

[Raspewtin]

Except that we missed out on Giroux in 2006, not 2005.

But yeah, hard to pick top end talent when we aren't drafting in the top 3-5. You can't ask Gordie Clark to magically draft top end talent in the spots where we've been drafting.

Not only that, but a lot of people are so reluctant to admit drafting right takes a lot of luck. See: Lamoriello, Lou.

 

[Zil]

Except that we missed out on Giroux in 2006, not 2005.

But yeah, hard to pick top end talent when we aren't drafting in the top 3-5. You can't ask Gordie Clark to magically draft top end talent in the spots where we've been drafting.

Urgh, damn lockout always throws me off when remembering those 04-06 draft years. Haha.

 

[Caser]

Yes Caser you are that Russian poster guy. Thanks for the inside info on Shestyorkin. I think Shestyorkin was a very good pick. Could be a quasi Hasek/Lundqvist goalie.

If I would knew that my post would be cited elsewhere alongside the RLR I would definitely try to write it more carefully and detailed (although I'm too lazy for that anyway )

Just FYI, a late second rounder has about a 15% chance of cracking the NHL. A 4th rounder is a little better than 5%. And that's for skaters: goalies are a significantly higher risk.

Between the two of them, realistically there is a 15-20% chance that one of them becomes and NHLer (and half of that that one of them becomes a starter).

I trust Gordie and he does strike gold twice as often as others in the later rounds, but it still means that the odds of one of them making it as either a backup or a starter is no better than 30-40%.

Let's not be unrealistic here and think that odds are we pulled out a future starter here. Even with Mckenzie Skapski in addition to these two, the odds of us getting even a backup out of this bunch is no more than 50-50.

If everything in life would be according to those statistics percentages and place at the draft, Hank wouldn't became the King and Dipietro would have got couple of Vezinas already. And that's why it is that fun following all those prospects. Besides, the Russian factor thing kind of influences the place at the draft, so the round is not always directly proportional to the talent level (I can easily see him selected in the second round if he would be from NA).

My opinion is that if we rank the goalies Russia produced for draft years 2008-2015 in terms of talent and upside, Shestyorkin would be ranked second (first would indisputably be Vasilevskiy, but that's just a different level), so I really expect big things from him if the hard work and some good coaching are invested in his talent.

 

[NYR Viper]

If I would knew that my post would be cited elsewhere alongside the RLR I would definitely try to write it more carefully and detailed (although I'm too lazy for that anyway )



If everything in life would be according to those statistics percentages and place at the draft, Hank wouldn't became the King and Dipietro would have got couple of Vezinas already. And that's why it is that fun following all those prospects. Besides, the Russian factor thing kind of influences the place at the draft, so the round is not always directly proportional to the talent level (I can easily see him selected in the second round if he would be from NA).

My opinion is that if we rank the goalies Russia produced for draft years 2008-2015 in terms of talent and upside, Shestyorkin would be ranked second (first would indisputably be Vasilevskiy, but that's just a different level), so I really expect big things from him if the hard work and some good coaching are invested in his talent.

Better than Varlamov?

 

[Caser]

Better than Varlamov?

No, Varly is from 2006 draft class, but as I have already written before, I was comparing Shestyorkin to a Varly-lite, because he really reminds me of young Varly in terms of those quick movements and reflexes.

 

[frisland]

CHL import draft today. we'll see if anyone takes chance on him coming over early.

EDIT: alright never mind then. Lot of teams skipped picks this year.

 

[Leslie Treff]

A) I really don't care what HF's prospect rankings say. Kristo's not close to being our best prospect and nobody other than Leslie Treff thinks that he is. Skjei, Duclair, Buchnevich, and Miller are all Clark picks last time I checked.

I actually wrote that in March; I do not think that Kristo is the Rangers' best prospect now. I will be writing a new top 20 prospect list next month and Kristo will probably not break the top 5. Some things have changed (besides just my opinion) and I will write about that at the time.

 

[Leslie Treff]

I was speaking to the Rangers about Shestyorkin yesterday. I am really high on the pick and was hoping that we would see him soon (now that his team is defunct). What I heard was that the Rangers were interested in bringing him over now but that he wants to stay for this coming year. The Rangers expect him to play in North America in 2015-16.

 

[Zil]

I actually wrote that in March; I do not think that Kristo is the Rangers' best prospect now. I will be writing a new top 20 prospect list next month and Kristo will probably not break the top 5. Some things have changed (besides just my opinion) and I will write about that at the time.

Cool. I didn't mean that to sound harsh toward you. Thanks for all the work that you do keeping us updated.

 

[schenneuf]

Did he re-up in Russia? If so, for how many years?

 

[FLYLine27*]

Did he re-up in Russia? If so, for how many years?

He did. I think it was a 2 year contract.

 

[cwede]

He did. I think it was a 2 year contract.

Yeah that's what Eliteprospects.com lists

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=195577