Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Updated: 11.25.21)

[LaffyTaffy]

How is Schneider doing in the AHL? I want him to replace Nils

Supposedly holding his own, though not completely dominating. Replacing him with Nils would be silly, Nils has only been getting better and just had his best game last night. Our third pairing is really not our biggest problem.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

i presume you are asking about non-pro prospects, with Richards, Barron and Khodorenko in Hartford

FWIW last 2 drafts I purchased Kournianos' Draft Report, he had these comments

Korczak:"Middle-six two-way center; power-play and faceoff specialist"

Vierling:"A slick playmaking center - but make no mistake – Vierling purely looks for offense and should not be considered
a stopper or reliable two-way center. The Colts used him on the penalty kill with Foerster, and even then, the slick pivot
seemed more comfortable gunning for takeaways..."

also, re Grubbe, his header lists as LW but comments cite as C
102. Jayden Grubbe, LW | 12-Jan-03 | Red Deer, WHL | 6’2, 200 | Shoots | Canada
"A bulldog of a two-way center who seems to treat every shift like a seek-and-destroy mission

re Rempe, both HockeyDB and Eliteprospects list him as C

Emphasis on legit. Grubbe and Rempe are longshots, of the pros Barron is the only true NHLer and he may not end up a C. Funny to see Steve K’s take on Korczak given my last post haha.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Is Korczak still projected to be a C in the NHL? Because if so, is he and Vierling our only legit C prospects (not counting Henriksson)?

Korczak
Henriksson
Vierling
Grubbe
Rempe

That's how I'd rank our center prospects. I really like what I see from Korczak in a season where he was expected to take the next step. Watching the Moose Jaw Warriors regularly feels weird. I usually saw them only a couple of times when they played the Thunderbirds but now, I have a reason to tune in, and Korczak is a joy to watch each time.

 

[NYR425]

Korczak
Henriksson
Vierling
Grubbe
Rempe

That's how I'd rank our center prospects. I really like what I see from Korczak in a season where he was expected to take the next step. Watching the Moose Jaw Warriors regularly feels weird. I usually saw them only a couple of times when they played the Thunderbirds but now, I have a reason to tune in, and Korczak is a joy to watch each time.

I have a few NHL contacts outside the Rangers organization and all say the floor for Grubbe is 4th line center , all see him as a very good 3rd line center and if he ever hits his ceiling could be a 2nd line center. Don't sell him short as he comes back from his knee injury. Intangibles are off the charts with him.

I asked those 4 contacts to rank the prospects you ranked and they all came back the same.

Grubbe ( sure fire #3 center, if he develops could be a #2 center, if he busts is a #4 center) will play in the NHL
Korczak (was told that if he is not your #2 center, he is not on your roster)
Vierling
Rempe
Hendriksson- hearing no one outside the Rangers organization is high on him

 

[nyr2k2]

Barron--I always considered him a wing, but the Rangers seem set on him at C, seems like a 3C at best but well-rounded
Korczak--I really like what I've seen so far, I think he has real scoring upside, skates well, works hard
Grubbe--I know the offense is underwhelming but he's a real meat-and-potatoes guy, big, strong, etc.
Vierling--shows some nice offensive skills but never really looks super involved to me, seems more like a support guy than a real driver of offense
Henriksson--there's obviously some skill there but I don't like the physical package; Frolunda has had him on the wing almost exclusively
Rempe--he's a JAG in the WHL, honestly; I don't see it even if he "opened eyes" by being gigantic and throwing his weight around in PDC
Tarnstrom--too early for me to make a judgment on him as I've barely seen him play; underwhelming numbers so far
Edstrom--has played C before but has been used almost exclusively at W in the past few years
Richards/Khodorenko/Rueschhoff--Richards maybe gets a few cups of coffee, the other two I don't think have enough

 

[NYR Viper]

Can someone give me a good scouting report on Grubbe?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Supposedly holding his own, though not completely dominating. Replacing him with Nils would be silly, Nils has only been getting better and just had his best game last night. Our third pairing is really not our biggest problem.

Our 3rd pairing has been a massive problem.

Gallant has done a MUCH better job managing Nils since his short exile from the lineup. Also though his best game was last night - he wasn't really noticeable anywhere, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. I'd rather low event hockey from Nils than the cluster f*** that has been most of his season.

Should still be trade bait.

 

[nyr2k2]

Can someone give me a good scouting report on Grubbe?

He's big and strong, a real two-way guy. Not overly-physical in the sense that he's looking to crush guys, but he's just one of those guys who uses his body really well and can just muscle guys off the puck but can still be a little chippy. He's always working hard out there. Good shot, decent skating. Good on draws, has won 56% this year. I don't know firsthand obviously but he's a good character guy, as he was named captain in his second season with Red Deer which you don't see that often. He blew out his knee last March.

 

[nyr2k2]

Our 3rd pairing has been a massive problem.

Gallant has done a MUCH better job managing Nils since his short exile from the lineup. Also though his best game was last night - he wasn't really noticeable anywhere, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. I'd rather low event hockey from Nils than the cluster f*** that has been most of his season.

Should still be trade bait.

Yeah, he was okay last night, which for him is good. The Rangers really seem committed to developing him in the NHL, which I don't fully understand when you have someone like Jones down there, but whatever. If he wasn't so accomplished in Sweden, I'd be really pissed off that he's getting time on the roster.

 

[nyr2k2]

Kravtsov had no points, and surprisingly was the only forward on Traktor without a SOG. He played about 15 minutes.

Aaltonen had an assist in just under 12 minutes.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I have a few NHL contacts outside the Rangers organization and all say the floor for Grubbe is 4th line center , all see him as a very good 3rd line center and if he ever hits his ceiling could be a 2nd line center. Don't sell him short as he comes back from his knee injury. Intangibles are off the charts with him.

I asked those 4 contacts to rank the prospects you ranked and they all came back the same.

Grubbe ( sure fire #3 center, if he develops could be a #2 center, if he busts is a #4 center) will play in the NHL
Korczak (was told that if he is not your #2 center, he is not on your roster)
Vierling
Rempe
Hendriksson- hearing no one outside the Rangers organization is high on him

This is really interesting, wonder what skill he brings to an NHL lineup aside from his defensive awareness. On Korczak i guess i kinda see where thats coming from but i dont think its that black n white with him.

 

[duhmetreE]

I have a few NHL contacts outside the Rangers organization and all say the floor for Grubbe is 4th line center , all see him as a very good 3rd line center and if he ever hits his ceiling could be a 2nd line center. Don't sell him short as he comes back from his knee injury. Intangibles are off the charts with him.

I asked those 4 contacts to rank the prospects you ranked and they all came back the same.

Grubbe ( sure fire #3 center, if he develops could be a #2 center, if he busts is a #4 center) will play in the NHL
Korczak (was told that if he is not your #2 center, he is not on your roster)
Vierling
Rempe
Hendriksson- hearing no one outside the Rangers organization is high on him

Is Korczak a defensive liability?

 

[n8]

Kravtsov had no points, and surprisingly was the only forward on Traktor without a SOG. He played about 15 minutes.

Aaltonen had an assist in just under 12 minutes.

so you're telling me Kravtsov isn't going to score 3 points every game for the remainder of the season?

 

[Ola]

Is Korczak still projected to be a C in the NHL? Because if so, is he and Vierling our only legit C prospects (not counting Henriksson)?

I still consider Henriksson as a C prospect. He plays with Joel Lundqvist at C who at like what 39-40 hardly take care of the majority of center duties in today’s game. Henriksson is there to cover up for him, cover a ton of ice, be the first guy back, turn the play and move the puck out of trouble.

 

[kovazub94]

Kravtsov had no points, and surprisingly was the only forward on Traktor without a SOG. He played about 15 minutes...

After scoring 3 points in his first game Kravtsov should take it easy for the next 3 without getting his heart rate up.

 

[nyr2k2]

I still consider Henriksson as a C prospect. He plays with Joel Lundqvist at C who at like what 39-40 hardly take care of the majority of center duties in today’s game. Henriksson is there to cover up for him, cover a ton of ice, be the first guy back, turn the play and move the puck out of trouble.

I definitely agree that he should be considered a center, as while Frolunda doesn't use him that way, it seems pretty clear the Rangers view as as a center and will give him every chance to succeed there. I will add however that this season he has still been deployed on the wing despite no longer playing on that top line with Lundqvist and Friberg; he has been on the second or third line centered by Spacek with either Niederbach or Olsen on the opposite wing.

 

[Daves a mess]

After scoring 3 points in his first game Kravtsov should take it easy for the next 3 without getting his heart rate up.

Oh, he will.

 

[NYR425]

Can someone give me a good scouting report on Grubbe?

This is from Redline report before the draft
Jayden Grubbe- RC
Unfortunately suffered season ending knee injury shortly after the WHL's season got underway. Just prior to that had been given the captaincy of a Brent Sutter led team at age 17- speaks volumes about his charachter and leadership. Powers his way around the ice with great knee bend and digs hard into his edges. Moves impressively for his size, shifting past checks at the last second and regularly beating defenders wide. Easy burst can even win races in tight. Plays the game with urgency and is gritty and competitive. Relentless in puck peursuit. Has a strong net front presence and screens goalies well. Jumps into the rush with purpose, working smart passes on the fly. Funnels pucks of the wall into the middle with a soft touch. Stick can let him down in tight areas, but it had improved from last year. Wide skating base for good balance.
Projection: Fast rugged 3rd line grinding role player
Style compares to Josh Anderson

 

[NYR425]

Barron--I always considered him a wing, but the Rangers seem set on him at C, seems like a 3C at best but well-rounded
Korczak--I really like what I've seen so far, I think he has real scoring upside, skates well, works hard
Grubbe--I know the offense is underwhelming but he's a real meat-and-potatoes guy, big, strong, etc.
Vierling--shows some nice offensive skills but never really looks super involved to me, seems more like a support guy than a real driver of offense
Henriksson--there's obviously some skill there but I don't like the physical package; Frolunda has had him on the wing almost exclusively
Rempe--he's a JAG in the WHL, honestly; I don't see it even if he "opened eyes" by being gigantic and throwing his weight around in PDC
Tarnstrom--too early for me to make a judgment on him as I've barely seen him play; underwhelming numbers so far
Edstrom--has played C before but has been used almost exclusively at W in the past few years
Richards/Khodorenko/Rueschhoff--Richards maybe gets a few cups of coffee, the other two I don't think have enough

As for Korczak, in the Hockey News Draft Preview -McKenzie said that scouts see a savy operator who is capable on the power play but struggles when games get tight and when he has to penetrate scoring areas for chances. One scout said " its easier to produce from the outside in junior than in the NHL. Thats something he is going to have to learn to do it in a more difficult manner or a complex manner. He's real good on the power play and really good if you give him space. But he doesn't earn a lot of space and if you take it away from him, he still hasn't reached the point where he would help create it.

This does not sound good because come playoff time he will be nowhere to be found when the games get tight.

 

[bobbop]

Grubbe will get better as this season goes along. He's coming back from major knee surgery. It takes time to be 100%

 

[cwede]

As for Korczak, in the Hockey News Draft Preview -McKenzie said that scouts see a savy operator who is capable on the power play but struggles when games get tight and when he has to penetrate scoring areas for chances. One scout said " its easier to produce from the outside in junior than in the NHL. Thats something he is going to have to learn to do it in a more difficult manner or a complex manner. He's real good on the power play and really good if you give him space. But he doesn't earn a lot of space and if you take it away from him, he still hasn't reached the point where he would help create it.
This does not sound good because come playoff time he will be nowhere to be found when the games get tight.

Thanks for sharing, but, just my thinking,
I wouldn't overly invest in a pre-draft scouting report as an indicator of what the kid will become.
Yes its good to know here we could improve. If you/we are aware of those comments, it is very likely that he is too.
Along his path to becoming a pro, he'll have had multiple years of coaching and teammates and situations and experience.
His game will mature, and round out, if he wants it and works at it.

 

[duhmetreE]

As for Korczak, in the Hockey News Draft Preview -McKenzie said that scouts see a savy operator who is capable on the power play but struggles when games get tight and when he has to penetrate scoring areas for chances. One scout said " its easier to produce from the outside in junior than in the NHL. Thats something he is going to have to learn to do it in a more difficult manner or a complex manner. He's real good on the power play and really good if you give him space. But he doesn't earn a lot of space and if you take it away from him, he still hasn't reached the point where he would help create it.

This does not sound good because come playoff time he will be nowhere to be found when the games get tight.

Doesn't this apply to nearly everyone?

Our top two picks are struggling with this as well

 

[cwede]

Wall, w Jax, lost to Maine today, gave 1 in each of 1st, 2nd then a ENG sealed a 3-1 game

Gamesheet: Maine at Jacksonville - Nov 16, 2021

Elmer, Taylor, Sanchez played but not Berzolla

 

[NYR425]

Thanks for sharing, but, just my thinking,
I wouldn't overly invest in a pre-draft scouting report as an indicator of what the kid will become.
Yes its good to know here we could improve. If you/we are aware of those comments, it is very likely that he is too.
Along his path to becoming a pro, he'll have had multiple years of coaching and teammates and situations and experience.
His game will mature, and round out, if he wants it and works at it.

Agreed in part but his size doesn't help either with this. He is small and plays small.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Wrong thread lol