Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Islanders - January 14

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

corsi contortions good one!

How else would you like me to describe it? Its when you leave the realm of using Corsi as a tool and have it, almost solely, determine if you're happy with how the team played - almost regardless of wins and losses.

 

[gorangers0525]

Corsi is a "symptom" of playing well, at least in close games. But no, I don't think any "corsi nerds" think it's the only thing that matters, but it's a good sign of things to come. Just like having a crappy corsi for so long was a good sign of a large slump.

 

[Raspewtin]

How else would you like me to describe it? Its when you leave the realm of using Corsi as a tool and have it, almost solely, determine if you're happy with how the team played - almost regardless of wins and losses.

It's just this general notion that corsi doesn't actually happen in the game and these stats are just plucked from space and thrown against a wall. The Rangers out attempted, out chanced, got to the net front, and defended better at ES the whole game. What do you want me to say? The three minutes 2-3 players tried to throw the game away should wipe out all of the good to take away completely? The Rangers as a team played a very good game. Good games don't always result in wins

 

[Jjksport]

And an inability to cash in on grade-A scoring chances. Sure they played a decent 40 minutes, but how are people not concerned that NYR makes NO PUSH AT ALL in the final 5 minutes of the game? When NYR are up a goal that late they are ALWAYS pinned in their own zone barely hanging on.. but no, not when theyre chasing. Instead, its dump dump dump despite not having anybody skating hard enough to retreive. nobody moving their feet when theyre carrying the puck, let alone away from it. The lack of a push or any URGENCY just shows me that this team doesnt have a winning attitude.

Somebody said it before, past NYR teams found ways to win. This time finds ways to lose.

Exactly. They either dump the puck in or need to counter for scoring chances.
This team has routinely not read the game correctly, and moved together to force the defense to defend. They don't seem to make plays and have all the players on the same page.
They dump the puck even when the defense is backing in and they have a clear pass. They dump it in with no one even ready to retrieve.
This is why when a team clamps down toward the end of the game, the Rangers look lost.
On the other hand when the Rangers are up, they give the puck away, and let the other team back into their zone way too easily. They set up and get chances on us.

 

[E-Train]

Did he really take a brainless penalty? By the letter of the law, maybe. But on the other hand let's remember two things.

1. Had he not done anything, lots of folks around here would be up in arms about how we let another player take whacks at Henke.

2. Those exact plays were completely ignored by the refs for the first two periods. That is the exact same thing that Tavares did to Zuc. Right in front of the refs. No penalty.

Without a doubt it was exactly what Tavares did. Terrible call but he still should've held up there with it being in the 3rd.
I do want to see Matt Martin get lit up by McI. Most likely he'll Prust it up and hang on if he gets in the slightest bit of trouble. Can't stand him and Buttercup.

 

[eco's bones]

Martin and McIlrath had been going at it since the beginning of the game. They both wanted a piece of the other. Basically the most intelligent thing for on ice officials in such a situation is to let the two willing would be combatants get it over and done with. The only reason I can think of why they didn't was is there were only two seconds left in the period---the officials wanted to get back to their locker room? Someone has to take a dump? Maybe they're watching some porn film between periods. These guys squared off--nobody was jumping the other. The two linesmen got right in between him.

 

[nevesis]

Did he really take a brainless penalty? By the letter of the law, maybe. But on the other hand let's remember two things.

1. Had he not done anything, lots of folks around here would be up in arms about how we let another player take whacks at Henke.

2. Those exact plays were completely ignored by the refs for the first two periods. That is the exact same thing that Tavares did to Zuc. Right in front of the refs. No penalty.

1. If they scrum happened in front of the crease, near Hank it would have be justified. But him skating after the guy where he did is why he got the penalty. He needs to know that would be called.

2. Agreed on this part, but that was close to the net where those things happen, and its also Tavares, so he gets the benefit of the doubt. McIlrath won't with his reputation.

 

[RGY]

Love having Mcilrath in the lineup and thought he was good, but that was a bad penalty, no if's and's or but's about it.

 

[Raspewtin]

love these lines.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Those lines have seemed very natural for a while.

I like. Kreider and Stepan need Nash to carry them (unfortunately at this point). Miller can keep up with Brass and Zucc who drive their line. Hayes gets a defensively responsible Fast and a Linbergy who can shoot the puck. Megna is a 4th liner/scratch.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

love these lines.

Thank GOD!

These lines need to be given a legitimate chance to succeed.

These are the exact lines I've been crowing for for a while.

 

[nyr2k2]

Did he really take a brainless penalty? By the letter of the law, maybe. But on the other hand let's remember two things.

1. Had he not done anything, lots of folks around here would be up in arms about how we let another player take whacks at Henke.

2. Those exact plays were completely ignored by the refs for the first two periods. That is the exact same thing that Tavares did to Zuc. Right in front of the refs. No penalty.

I missed the first period, tuned in for the second. I was immediately struck by how much the referees were letting the players get away with. I thought to myself, "Wow, they're letting these boys go!" I liked it and was glad to see it. These games are fun when they let them play.

With that in mind, I was surprised they called that on McIlrath. It wasn't a bad call in a vacuum, but I wasn't expecting it called based on what I had seen over the prior 30 minutes. I'm not trying to "absolve" McIlrath of anything, as it clearly was a penalty, but in his defense it's tough to know that you're crossing the line when the referees have allowed so much to go on up to that point. It was a silly penalty to take, but he's young and will learn from it. He cut down on the bad penalties in the AHL, and I expect he'll do the same in the NHL. Rookie mistake.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

love these lines.

Finally. The lines I wanted get made. I feel like dropping to my knees in rejoice.

 

[offdacrossbar]

love these lines.

nash and kreider together should be a **** show. those 3 deserve each other. stepan has been pretty brutal too.

jtmiller deserves the bump up. he's been solid. i like anyone with zuc and brass not named nash

the 3rd line is hot flaming molten garbage

tanner glass is forever.



#albatrossplaysgooddefense

 

[NickyFotiu]

nash and kreider together should be a **** show. those 3 deserve each other. stepan has been pretty brutal too.

jtmiller deserves the bump up. he's been solid. i like anyone with zuc and brass not named nash

the 3rd line is hot flaming molten garbage

tanner glass is forever.



#albatrossplaysgooddefense

Why can't AV see that? Nash is a totally different style player than Brass/Zooks. He is a horrible fit with them. They need a guy that will forecheck and grind with them. Pou worked. Kreider will work. JT will work. Nash is a good player but he is much more a one on one individual player where Brass/Zooks feed off their linemates.

 

[Irishguy42]

nash and kreider together should be a **** show. those 3 deserve each other. stepan has been pretty brutal too.

jtmiller deserves the bump up. he's been solid. i like anyone with zuc and brass not named nash
the 3rd line is hot flaming molten garbage

tanner glass is forever.



#albatrossplaysgooddefense

That's because Brass+Zucc is money. So much money. They can probably make a lot of people look good at this point. I like JT on that line. It will be wonderful.

 

[TheDirtyH]

love these lines.

Still no Streiderello, but I've been praying for 20-21-61 for a season and a half. I just hope it stays this way.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Still no Streiderello, but I've been praying for 20-21-61 for a season and a half. I just hope it stays this way.

We had Streiderello for 1 game. It worked well so AV broke them up.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

It's just this general notion that corsi doesn't actually happen in the game and these stats are just plucked from space and thrown against a wall. The Rangers out attempted, out chanced, got to the net front, and defended better at ES the whole game. What do you want me to say? The three minutes 2-3 players tried to throw the game away should wipe out all of the good to take away completely? The Rangers as a team played a very good game. Good games don't always result in wins

When analyzing things on a game to game basis, Im always happier with a win compared to a loss. Period. I dont care if the Rangers had 1 shot and the opposition had 50 and the Rangers win 1-0.

Is Corsi a helpful tool? Does it correspond to winning teams over the course of an entire season? Yes.

But I also believe in the adage the good teams "find ways to win." This team is finding ways to lose. So excuse me if Im not thrilled they out attempted the Islanders. This 3-4 minute brain fart is not exactly a one time occurrence this season.

 

[Pfranz94]

When analyzing things on a game to game basis, Im always happier with a win compared to a loss. Period. I dont care if the Rangers had 1 shot and the opposition had 50 and the Rangers win 1-0.

Is Corsi a helpful tool? Does it correspond to winning teams over the course of an entire season? Yes.

But I also believe in the adage the good teams "find ways to win." This team is finding ways to lose. So excuse me if Im not thrilled they out attempted the Islanders. This 3-4 minute brain fart is not exactly a one time occurrence this season.

I agree with you here. This team has been performing much better for a while now. The brain farts, that they seemingly have at some point during every single game has got to stop. It's concerning.

 

[cwede]

Yandle is great hockey player. Despite the complaining done by people in this board he's playing like a top end defenseman.

when?
in a NYR unform he has only had rare games where he was 'very good' throughout

certainly not last night
last night he consistently made crappy plays with the puck, too many risky weak clearing attempts

to me, the guy hasn't earned such strong support from NYR fans,
so i wonder if its based on what NYR gave up, or on his rep before he arrived

regardless, i firmly believe that, going forward, his greatest value to NYR is the player assets he brings back by March 1...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

when?
in a NYR unform he has only had rare games where he was 'very good' throughout

certainly not last night
last night he consistently made crappy plays with the puck, too many risky weak clearing attempts

to me, the guy hasn't earned such strong support from NYR fans,
so i wonder if its based on what NYR gave up, or on his rep before he arrived

regardless, i firmly believe that, going forward, his greatest value to NYR is the player assets he brings back by March 1...

Yandle was Hayes' accomplice on the Islanders first goal. Hayes and his multiple turnovers were the primarily cause, but the play Yandle made was horrendous. He is high risk/high reward in his own end. Last night it backfired. Its also one of the reasons hes on the 3rd pair.

 

[nevesis]

“@rangersreport: So it looks like McIlrath, Megna won't play in Philly.”

 

[eco's bones]

The Rangers like Yandle's offense. They don't trust his defense. They even seem to trust Boyle's defense more. Yandle never gets a PK shift. Boyle doesn't get a lot but he gets some. The other issue might be Yandle's physical game or lack thereof. Not talking about Yandle getting into scrums with his teammates--he's always there for that. It's more the meat and potatoes bumping and grinding and hitting and mucking. Yandle doesn't do very much of that. Even there Boyle is quite a bit more proactive.

There's no doubt in my mind that McDonagh is the Rangers best D. He's put up almost as much offense as Yandle and he plays in every key situation and in all situations. He could be playing better but he's still the backbone of our D. Without him IMO we'd be sunk. After Lundqvist he is the most important player on the team and I don't think it's that close to the next guy who is probably Zuccarello. At this point Brassard has passed Nash in the pecking order and Klein is pretty much even with Rick.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

when?
in a NYR unform he has only had rare games where he was 'very good' throughout

certainly not last night
last night he consistently made crappy plays with the puck, too many risky weak clearing attempts

to me, the guy hasn't earned such strong support from NYR fans,
so i wonder if its based on what NYR gave up, or on his rep before he arrived

regardless, i firmly believe that, going forward, his greatest value to NYR is the player assets he brings back by March 1...

You're like a day late so I'm not even going to bother showing you way he's good. Look through the thread and find what I said yesterday