No. Because I do not view the current construct as word beaters. Lots of teams are flawed, but lots of teams also come to a game with a Plan B.
Confirmed with Link: Rangers extend HC Alain Vigneault
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Kaapo Cabana
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not happy with this, but it doesn't really matter.
whether he has a contract or not has no bearing on if they're going to fire him.
AV is a pretty good coach. However I think he has some glaring blind spots that will prevent him from ever winning a Stanley cup.
i.e. he gets hung up on bad players.
whether he has a contract or not has no bearing on if they're going to fire him.
AV is a pretty good coach. However I think he has some glaring blind spots that will prevent him from ever winning a Stanley cup.
i.e. he gets hung up on bad players.
I think that what is going to be interesting is to see how AV fares if the goaltending is mediocre. Thought his tenure with the Rangers, Henke stood on his head on most nights. That masked a lot of flaws with AVs system. However, if what we are seeing is not Henke go through a rough stretch but begin the decline of his career, how will AV's flying system fare?
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Like he has his whole coaching career, he won't. He's been blessed with the best goaltending of this generation his entire tenure in VAN and NY. If Hank was even average in the 2015 series vs Washington or the first two months of 2016 AV would be long gone.
LeetchisGod
This is a bad hockey team.
I'll be shocked if he lasts through next season. This team is following the Canucks' trajectory.
Jaromir Jagr
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Least interested I've been in this team in probably my entire life. The dark ages were a strange time, but now the team has had so much talent, with just a few minor tweaks, to the lineup & to the coaching strategy, we should be contending year in year out. I thnk we could have won the cup the year we lost to Tampa had the D (Yandle more, Girardi, less) been utilized properly, also with Kevin Hayes and no Glass.
I'm so sick of seeing so much talent and arguably the most talented Rangers team (over multiple years) ever be held back by this fool. I've lost so much interest this year, am selling almost every game and will continue to do so until they let him go.
He is horrendous.
Jaromir Jagr
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Exactly. A lot of people overlook this. He has had 2 of the best goalies in history mask his pathetic coaching for his entire career.
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Tawnos
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I'm just going to overlook the hyperbole and respond to the underlying point.
There is no doubt that AV has benefitted from having two elite goaltenders. If you remember, the talk when Tortorella was fired and AV was hired was that his system is designed to take advantage of not having to protect his goaltender by severely limiting scoring chances. That was supposed to free up the skaters to lend their abilities towards getting the puck up the ice. And guess what? It worked.
Now that the defensive group has diminished and the elite goaltending is suspect, the flaws in his system that relies on those things are being exposed. I said this on the last page. My long term criticism of AV is that he doesn't adjust the whole system to his roster, even during an offseason. If Hank needs more defensive protection because he isn't as good, it's AVs job to make that happen.
Tortorella came into the Rangers preaching safe is death. In less than a season and a half, that turned into the six-goalie system. It didn't even last all the way into 09-10 before he realized it wasn't going to work with that roster. That's how you do it. AV needs to figure it out.
With all due respect, you really dont know what you're talking about. You don't know the game plans and what adjustments from an Xs and Os Perspective he Installs before games and during intermissions of every game. You just use confirmation biases like 'keeps playing Girardi' 'Girardi in clendenning out' as confirming your bias of him as a coach.
And when things fail it's always 'He can't adjust' and not 'The players didn't execute his adjustments'
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It's not a coincidence that every time we play a team that traps the neutral zone, the offense on this team disappears.
That's AV being stubborn and not adjusting.
And how quickly we forget the SCF. Where we would take leads and then get absolutely mashed by LA because the team turtled.
Didn't the Rangers creae significant half court offense in that philly game? Doc and Pierre even mentioned it. You don't know what AV is telling the players and how effective they are in executing that from gane to game.
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He continues to play the players at fault. If he's making adjustments and the players are not executing his adjustments properly, shouldn't he hold those players accountable?
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except belicheck made brady. av came to these teams when luongo and hank were already established.
Just because he isn't publicly holding others accountable like say Tortorella might have did doesn't mean he isn't doing so behind closed doors internally. Also, accountability doesn't mean coming out of the lineup either.
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If you're gonna criticize a coach for certain things you have to give him credit also. Getting to two cup finals (with superstar goalies or not) is impressive. And with some timely scoring from certain stars on the team 2014 could have been different especially in those overtime loses to the Kings. The coach can't be blamed for that.
It is frustrating that he continues to give G first line minutes but to ridicule him as being a coach who knows nothing is unfair unless it's there's exaggeration being used . But as long as I've been a Ranger fan every coach has been disliked for one reason or another . Heck now that I think about every team I root for has a contingent of angry fans that dislike the coach. I guess it's just the way it is
It is frustrating that he continues to give G first line minutes but to ridicule him as being a coach who knows nothing is unfair unless it's there's exaggeration being used . But as long as I've been a Ranger fan every coach has been disliked for one reason or another . Heck now that I think about every team I root for has a contingent of angry fans that dislike the coach. I guess it's just the way it is
Just to address this again because it's one of the few posts with actual substance...
If a teams clogging the neutral zone that would mean dump it in and go get it instead of trying to carry the puck over the blue line. failed carry ins while trapping the neutral zone == odd man/rush chances the other way.
Is that something you've noticed with this team? Asking honestly because I haven't. They will indeed dump the puck in of the opposition forces them too. Now he question might you ask is why are they bad at getting it backs and retrieving it after dumping it in? It could be a lack of proper coaching on positioning and spacing of the forwards.
It could be forwards making bad reads even with good coaching and game plan. It could be just bad matchup for our peronnsel.
The point is me you or anyone else doesn't know what the coach is doing stategically and adjustment wise even tho we lead ourselves to Believe we do.
And belichek would not have won 4 championships without a star quarterback (I.e. Cleveland). There relationship has definitely been a symbiotic one .
Tawnos
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Ok, except that first part isn't true. Almost every damn team tries to trap in the neutral zone against us.
