Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Capitals - 03/28/18

[chosen]

Major League Baseball doesn't suck

Neither does winning the lottery. Ergo, every team in the NHL sucks, eh?

Major league baseball is great if you like watching games that can take 4.5 hours, with 25 minutes of action.

That's entertainment.

 

[Gravey22]

Poink had another terrific game coming on strong. Hopefully that brain-fart with a minute remaining does not throw him into a tailspin. Could be a good learning experience but his coverage on Ehler was strange yet freakin awful .
Anyway ..... see a stat two games in row.... the NYRs are in the NHL top 10 for PP and PK but a bottom 10 team. Does faceoff% PP and Pk stats really mean a whole lot? THe PP was whined about for years as we won playoff series but now we are at the top of the league and will be playing golf before the PGA!!!!

 

[chosen]

That's a canard. The average per game power play ice time for Rangers players this year (from NHL. com for all Rangers players for 2017-2018):

1. Shattenkirk 3:31
2. Zibanejad 3:03
3. Zuccarello 2:48
4. Buchnevich 2:43
5. Kreider 2:37
6. Namestnikov 2:17
7. Miller 2:12
8. Nash 2:11
9. McDonagh 2:09
10. DeAngelo 1:55
11. Spooner 1:50
12. Vesey 1:29
13. Lettieri 1:28
14. Desharnais 1:28
15. Gilmour 1:27
16. Skjei 1:10
17. Hayes 1:05
18. Pionk 1:02

After which the next highest player is 0:11--so I didn't continue though I'll note that both Grabner and Fast are 0:03. Vesey is 12th but there's literally no difference between 12 and 15. He's in with the likes of Lettieri, Desharnais and Gilmour. As well some of Vesey's power play time is probably a product of his being the big body replacement for Kreider when Chris was out with his blood clot issue. AV could have used Kevin Hayes more I suppose. The two he almost never used were Fast and Grabner.....but Vesey's down the list of power play time recipients. It doesn't support your argument and you might not like it but that's just a fact.

Never throw facts at agendas. They don't like it.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Neither does winning the lottery. Ergo, every team in the NHL sucks, eh?

Major league baseball is great if you like watching games that can take 4.5 hours, with 25 minutes of action.

That's entertainment.

And this action involves running around in a circle if you're lucky.

 

[Roo Returns]

A lot of you might be younger, but if you grew up in the 70s the Yankees wee huge, and in the 80s the Mets. NY will always be a baseball town first and foremost.

Baseball is a lot more one on one and psychological. A guessing game between the pitcher and hitter.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

There's no way he'd saying that to his teammates. There's a thing body language that's a good predictor of how thinks and speaks.

And someone's body language in their sports gear which obstructs almost all normal movement and while on their sports playing field while in the middle of the sport is automatically the same as it would be in normal life? Give me a break.

I have first hand experience with this, when I was in college we would always have film sessions and there were so many times it would look like me and a D man were arguing during a whistle when we were really joking about a crazy bounce a puck took or something benign. Or I'd give up a goal I know I should've had and I'd start yelling "f*** me! what the f*** am I doing!" but on camera without being down there you'd think I'm screaming at my D, who are standing there facing the net bc the puck just went in.

As I said, fans read way too much into what they perceive Lundqvist to be doing. Are they right sometimes? Sure, sometimes I'm sure he actually is saying "why the f*** didn't you pick up his stick Dan?" or something, but I would be willing to wager that the majority of times people think he's being a dick to his teammates, he really isn't.

 

[Machinehead]

A lot of you might be younger, but if you grew up in the 70s the Yankees wee huge, and in the 80s the Mets. NY will always be a baseball town first and foremost.

Baseball is a lot more one on one and psychological. A guessing game between the pitcher and hitter.

And some may not be fans of the sport, and that's fine. I prefer hockey as a sport.

But MLB > NHL AINEC.

Yes, @chosen, pretty much every NHL team sucks. The league is over-coached and watered-down, and the hard cap is a tumor on the league.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

With all due respect, this is why I hate coming here sometimes. The guy’s played 2 NHL games, how can you make that claim? We don’t know if he’s going to be Patrice Bergeron or Blair Betts.

If you’re going to an Internet forum for educated takes you might be the one who’s outta line

I’m excited about his future I’m prone to over exaggerating

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

It's per game average---not total time on ice for the entire season. He still lags way behind most of our other forwards. For instance since Namestnikov showed up AV has shown predilection towards Namestnikov over Vesey. His 2:17 avg. is basically the same that Miller 2:12 was getting. Spooner's 1:50 is not all that far off Nash's 2:12. He's been the 7th forward option behind Zibanejad, Zuccarello, Buchnevich, Kreider, Miller/Namestnikov and Nash/Spooner and Hayes only started getting power play time about 5-6 weeks ago and is catching up with him. Better question is take Vesey's power play time away and who are you going to give it to? Zibanejad, Zuccarello, Buchnevich and Kreider are already getting the most. Do you just leave those guys out on the ice for entire power plays?

Really I don't know what people want but I think it's an unfair criticism. IMO Vesey's not been very productive on the power play but Nash wasn't very good either and he got even more power play time. If we're looking at power play production from our forwards only Z-bad, Zucc, Buchnevich, Kreider and Miller produced anything for us this year but even they have to come off the ice sooner or later. The point of all the above though shows that Vesey isn't like some mainstay on our powerplay. It's just not true.

Yes but vesey has been get that time over an entire season unlike Letierri or any of the additions at the deadline. That’s what I mean by correcting by sample size

If we call someone up for 1 game and give them 4 PP mins their average will clearly be the highest, your not controlling for the amount of games played

 

[Ori]

soon 24 hours until Tampa game - I`m looking forward to that one.

 

[Thirty One]

Yes but vesey has been get that time over an entire season unlike Letierri or any of the additions at the deadline. That’s what I mean by correcting by sample size

If we call someone up for 1 game and give them 4 PP mins their average will clearly be the highest, your not controlling for the amount of games played

Yeah, there's no comparable for Vesey on the team in getting PP time without PP production. He had over 100 PP minutes before recording his 2nd PP point. Who else was given close to that kind of rope?

 

[eco's bones]

Yes but vesey has been get that time over an entire season unlike Letierri or any of the additions at the deadline. That’s what I mean by correcting by sample size

If we call someone up for 1 game and give them 4 PP mins their average will clearly be the highest, your not controlling for the amount of games played

Per your own remark Lettieri is an outlier. One could say the same for Gilmour and Pionk. So then the guys that Vesey was getting more power play time all year long were--Desharnais by 1 second average per game, Hayes, Fast and Grabner and defenseman Skjei. As well Vesey's power play time goes up when Kreider goes out so as he's given the big body in front of the net job and then when Kreider comes back Vesey gets less again........and at the same time no one complains about Rick Nash's lack of production (3 goals, 1 assist in 60 games) on the power play when he was here....fact is they want to sign his ass again--(he'll be a mentor for the young)--they'd rather go after Mr. Vesey.

I've made mention by the way before that I'm not crazy about Vesey on the power play but he ain't the only one and the Rangers options--the forwards that produce well or okay on the power play were always kind of limited. They were Zibanejad, Zuccarello, Buchnevich, Kreider and Miller at forward and Shattenkirk and McDonagh on D and funny they're the guys that got the most power play ice time.

 

[BiPolar Caps]

A lot of you might be younger, but if you grew up in the 70s the Yankees wee huge, and in the 80s the Mets. NY will always be a baseball town first and foremost.

Baseball is a lot more one on one and psychological. A guessing game between the pitcher and hitter.

The Emerald Chess Board as George Will would say.

 

[aufheben]

Andersson is gunna be a selke candidate

They're actually going to rename it the Lias Andersson Trophy.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They're actually going to rename it the Lias Andersson Trophy.

That reminds me of the "Calderberg" hype

 

[Machinehead]

They're actually going to rename it the Lias Andersson Trophy.

He's gonna throw it in the crowd when he wins it.

 

[darko]

Andersson is gunna be a selke candidate

He's played 2 games.

 

[Pizza]

A Hockey Team with a hodgepodge line up made up of disappointed veterans, minor leaguers, and teenagers....pushes a lineup of some of the best-seasoned pros in the world to overtime.

Huh. I'll take that as a start to my rebuild with a shot of warm fuzzy thrown in.

 

[Larrybiv]

Watch the majority of 2013-2018 Rangers tonight in 2 games!

Penguins........Hunwick, Brassard, Hagelin
VS
Devils..............Grabner, J. Moore, Boyle

Tampa Bay.....McD, Girardi, Strahman, JT Miller, Callahan
VS
Boston.............Nasher, Holden

Simply amazing to me! How dismantled, and to whom they ended up with.

 

[Bob Richards]

He's gonna throw it in the crowd when he wins it.

Starts a morbid yet lovable tradition where an audience member is injured each time Lias hurls the trophy into the sky.

 

[Machinehead]

Starts a morbid yet lovable tradition where an audience member is injured each time Lias hurls the trophy into the sky.

I hope it hits Scott Stevens

 

[Thirty One]

He's played 2 games.

That sounds the same amount of games Sergei Fedorov had played two games into his career. Makes you think.

 

[darko]

That sounds the same amount of games Sergei Fedorov had played two games into his career. Makes you think.

Rico Fata too.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I mean, they didn’t get Crosby and Malkin through anything but blind luck and they were a huge part of why they were able to win.

Aside from doing the opposite of RangersTown by fully tanking, having a long term picture, following key three picks will before draft years , and savvy financial swinging with the casino deal, it was pure luck.

Actually, it’s scummy, but it was planned and worked.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I dont know why people try to use 1-2 game Corsi numbers as an indication of anything. Most of the problems assosiated with Corsi analysis are believed to be largely random errors- that is they will tend to cancel out over a larger sample size. The exception being things like shot quality variation in team style. Having Corsi calculated on 15 shots total really tells us nothing at all.

The 1-2 game Corsi argument is predicted by the wants of the echo chamber.

For example, and to some degree rightfully so, Anderson is looked at as a keystone of the future for the team, so the sample size is considered small.

I mean it is indeed small, but that is irelrelavent , for example , in case 2.

Some 4th line defensive player called up for first game to fill in for injured roster player. The player called up has less hope and is less sexy being purely defensive, so the 1-2 game Corsi argument is considered indicative of the totality or the player. Now when this player wins a cup on another team, it’s because “he was used wrong”.