GDT: Raleigh Whalers vs Debils

[Blueline Bomber]

If I heard this quote before I left I’d own at least one PK jersey right now.

How about this one?

 

[Joe McGrath]

How about this one?

So two jerseys.

 

[ndp]

How about this one?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I see puck, i want to stop puck. Lol.

 

[Unsustainable]

I love PK, hes a gem of a person.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

MIKS EI. @Lempo @Unhinged Finn @Porvari

 

[Borsig]

That doesn’t explain 31 giveaways.

Well 17 were probably necas.

That being said we looked weird last night and very sloppy, and PK looked either lucky or like Sorokin. Cant tell which.

Someone needs to give PK some pine tar. I've NEVER seen a goalie drop his stick as much as PK does.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well 17 were probably necas.

Perception vs. reality.

Staal: 5
Bunting: 4
Aho: 3
TT: 3
Svech: 2
Necas: 2
Slavin: 2
Burns: 2
Fast: 2
Jarvis, Drury, KK, Chatfield, TDA, Skjei: all with 1

Orlov, Martinook, Noesen: Zero.

 

[Borsig]

Perception vs. reality.

Staal: 5
Bunting: 4
Aho: 3
TT: 3
Svech: 2
Necas: 2
Slavin: 2
Burns: 2
Fast: 2
Jarvis, Drury, KK, Chatfield, TDA, Skjei: all with 1

Orlov, Martinook, Noesen: Zero.

Damn staal with 5. oof.

does a giveaway count being stripped of the puck or doing something dumb with it tho?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Damn staal with 5. oof.

does a giveaway count being stripped of the puck or doing something dumb with it tho?

Doing something dumb with it? yes, if it results in an unforced error turning the puck over. Being stripped? No. That will be a takeaway from the other team, but not a giveaway.

A giveaway is generally when a player makes an unforced error that gives the puck up to the other team.

NJ had 10 takeaways last night (Jack Hughes had 4 of them). Necas had very little TOI against Jack Hughes last night.

His most common opponents:
he had 9:25 against Meier (who had 1 takeaway)
9:19 against Lazar (who had 0 takeaways)
7:49 against Mercer (who had 0 takeaways)
6:01 against Marino (who had 0 takeaways)
5:48 against Luke Hughes (who had 2 takeaways)
5:01 against Nemec (0 takeaways)
5:12 against Hatakka (0 takeaways)


Carolina had 12 takeaways lat night. Here's the take-aways:

TT: 3
Orlov: 2
Jarvis, Aho, Drury, Bunting, Slavin, Martinook, and Burns each with 1

Listening to Rod's interview and a few players interviews, sounds like the ice was shit last night. I guess the 74 degree day was the cause?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Doing something dumb with it? yes, it it results in an unforced error turning the puck over. Being stripped? No. That will be a takeaway from the other team, but not a giveaway.

A giveaway is generally when a player makes an unforced error that gives the puck up to the other team.

NJ had 10 takeaways last night (Jack Hughes had 4 of them). Necas had very little TOI against Jack Hughes last night.

His most common opponents:
he had 9:25 against Meier (who had 1 takeaway)
9:19 against Lazar (who had 0 takeaways)
7:49 against Mercer (who had 0 takeaways)
6:01 against Marino (who had 0 takeaways)
5:48 against Luke Hughes (who had 2 takeaways)
5:01 against Nemec (0 takeaways)
5:12 against Hatakka (0 takeaways)


Carolina had 12 takeaways lat night. Here's the take-aways:

TT: 3
Orlov: 2
Jarvis, Aho, Drury, Bunting, Slavin, Martinook, and Burns each with 1

I’ve never really thought about it, but if you did a man on the street interview with me before this post and asked me how takeaways/giveaways work, I wouldn’t have been able to tell you whether it worked like this or whether takeaways were merely the opposing team’s side of giveaways and it was 1-to-1.

 

[Borsig]

I’ve never really thought about it, but if you did a man on the street interview with me before this post and asked me how takeaways/giveaways work, I wouldn’t have been able to tell you whether it worked like this or whether takeaways were merely the opposing team’s side of giveaways and it was 1-to-1.

Same. To me a take away is physically taking the puck from someone.

A giveaway is passing it to the other team, doing something dumb like a spin o rama and losing it, or whatever causes you to lose possesion without an offensive attempt being made or whaetver

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

As a follow-on, the most GVA/60 on the team for the entire season:

Bunting: 2.83
KK: 2.58
Svech: 2.09
Aho: 2.03
Chatfield: 1.93
Burns: 1.89
TT: 1.86
TDA: 1.83
Necas: 1.70
Lemieux: 1.69

It's a bit misleading though. Guys who play a simple game of dump and chase (Staal, Martinook, Fast, etc..) will typically have less giveaways than players who possess the puck more while on the ice, who are more skilled and try to make offensive plays with the puck.

Dumping it deep and forechecking aren't going to be categorized as a giveaway, even though you are technically giving away the puck. Holding the puck, skating it into the zone, and trying a more difficult cross ice pass to create a scoring chance, where the puck ends up going to the other team is likely going to result in a giveaway.

 

[Borsig]

Burns seemed brutal last night. But only had 2 GA.

 

[AD Skinner]

If kochetkov can play like that on a consistent basis he can drop his stick all he wants. He was electric

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Burns seemed brutal last night. But only had 2 GA.

Since he's arrived here, I notice that Burns seems to bobble the puck, particularly while on the blue-line, more than any defensemen we've had in a while. I think if the ice is bad, it makes it even worse for a guy like him. He also handles the puck much more trying to make offensive plays, so is more prone to having a giveaway than a guy like Pesce for instance.

Staal was the real anomaly last night given that he typically plays a simple game. Get it out, dump it deep, chase and forecheck. That typically doesn't end up with a lot of giveaways.

 

[Borsig]

If kochetkov can play like that on a consistent basis he can drop his stick all he wants. He was electric

no shit. But it makes me panic every time he does it.

He plays goal like a drunken raccoon. It's a perfect style for the cardiac chaos that is hurricanes hockey.

 

[Sigurd]

Kovchetkov: "It's 0-0. I say 'f*** boys, please score.' I go home."

So true king

If I heard this quote before I left I’d own at least one PK jersey right now.

How about this one?

I already liked Kochetkov before, but now?

He's a gem

 

[Lempo]

I see puck, i want to stop puck. Lol.

The puck stops here.

 

[Svechhammer]

I already liked Kochetkov before, but now?

He's a gem

Yeah I've been trying to debate what jersey I want next

This kind of stuff solidifies whose name and number I will get

 

[hblueridgegal]

in good company...

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

in good company...

This play shows why many might view Necas as a "turnover" machine. He can make plays at speed so he often attempts them. Look at that move he made at about the 4-5 second mark to get by the defender and get into a prime shooting spot. That move was crucial for this play and Aho's goal to be successful. Because it was successful, we don't think anything of it.

If that Devil's player had gotten his stick on the puck with Aho and Slavin both heading toward the net, it could have easily been a 2-0 in the opposite direction for NJ and people would be calling for his head.

He's a skilled guy that can make plays at speed and when he's confident, he tries to make those plays. Really only he and Aho have that speed and ability. TT slows the game down. Svech uses his power. Jarvis shields the puck from defenders. etc..

If we don't have Necas on this team, I think we'd miss this element of his game a lot, even with the warts.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Yeah I've been trying to debate what jersey I want next

This kind of stuff solidifies whose name and number I will get

Me too. Got Aho shortly after his extension. Now been trying to decide between Slavin, Burns, Jarvis, Necas and now Koochie entering the debate. Prefer to get jerseys of guys I know will be here a very long time so will likely wait for some upcoming contracts to decide. If (once) we give Slavin 7 or 8 years I’ll surely get his jersey.

Win a cup this year and the longevity factor becomes irrelevant. Pyotr as starting goalie would be an instant buy, Burns too

 

[Lempo]

If that Devil's player had gotten his stick on the puck with Aho and Slavin both heading toward the net, it could have easily been a 2-0 in the opposite direction for NJ and people would be calling for his head.

Once again I long after the lost internet meme picture of success and failure juxtaposing some Amazonas hunters carrying an anaconda back to the village and the Ferrari pit crew carrying the loose fuel hose that was dragged to the pit lane exit on Felipe Massa's car...

 

[moses malone 12]

Doing something dumb with it? yes, if it results in an unforced error turning the puck over. Being stripped? No. That will be a takeaway from the other team, but not a giveaway.

A giveaway is generally when a player makes an unforced error that gives the puck up to the other team.

NJ had 10 takeaways last night (Jack Hughes had 4 of them). Necas had very little TOI against Jack Hughes last night.

His most common opponents:
he had 9:25 against Meier (who had 1 takeaway)
9:19 against Lazar (who had 0 takeaways)
7:49 against Mercer (who had 0 takeaways)
6:01 against Marino (who had 0 takeaways)
5:48 against Luke Hughes (who had 2 takeaways)
5:01 against Nemec (0 takeaways)
5:12 against Hatakka (0 takeaways)


Carolina had 12 takeaways lat night. Here's the take-aways:

TT: 3
Orlov: 2
Jarvis, Aho, Drury, Bunting, Slavin, Martinook, and Burns each with 1

Listening to Rod's interview and a few players interviews, sounds like the ice was shit last night. I guess the 74 degree day was the cause?

agreed on ice conditions. players skating faster than puck was moving (never a problem for me unfortunately)