Value of: Rakell and Manson

[Stuart Little]

along those lines

Amirov - who is a 1st

2022 1st

= two firsts

Kerfoot is a top 9 forward on their team for sure - likely even top 6

 

[LuckyDucky]

5v5 points per 60 since 2018-2019:

Kerfoot: 1.78
Rakell: 1.54

Instead of posting garbage like this, maybe do a bit of research. Rakell isn't much of an upgrade on kerfoot.

Yes, do your “research”. In other words, pick a stat with literally zero context that fits your narrative. Got it.

 

[bpower]

Neither team does this. Leafs have made their moves already and Anaheim is likely to get a better offer

Umm I don't see Anaheim doing this, but Leafs def. would.

In addition no way Leafs are done, they didnt pay for extra cap space only to not use it...

 

[Rec T]

Didn't we already do this a few times (for Rakell anyway) in the last couple of months involving more or less the same players? Each time it was a resounding 'no' from Anaheim.

Wine may get better over time...this didn't

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Speaking of garbage posts...

Kerfoot has been more productive than Rakell at 5v5 for the past three years. Large sample size. What exactly is your issue with it? I'm sure you didn't know that prior to me posting it?

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Yes, do your “research”. In other words, pick a stat with literally zero context that fits your narrative. Got it.

It's 5v5 points per 60. What more context do you need?

 

[Stuart Little]

5v5 points per 60 since 2018-2019:

Kerfoot: 1.78
Rakell: 1.54

Instead of posting garbage like this, maybe do a bit of research. Rakell isn't much of an upgrade on kerfoot.

EXACTLY my point

Kerfoot is NOT as bad as people think - Rakell would just serve more of a specific purpose on either Tavares or Matthew's line

The "payment" is for getting BOTH Manson and Rakell
it would guarantee that the Leafs get/keep at least one of them next year as well (despite Expansion)

Exposed Forwards
- Engvall
- Rakell

Exposed D
- Holl or Manson
- Dermott

still would have

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Nylander
(Hyman) - either sign before or after
Mikheyev

Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
Holl/Manson/Dermott (if they go 8 +1)

PLUS 4/5 "exposed players"

and thats not saying Dubas doesnt make a deal with Seattle _ to take a specific player

 

[LuckyDucky]

It's 5v5 points per 60. What more context do you need?

How about line mates, team scoring, zone start %, quality of competition (among others)?

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Kerfoot has been more productive than Rakell at 5v5 for the past three years. Large sample size. What exactly is your issue with it? I'm sure you didn't know that prior to me posting it?

Just stop

Funny how Kerfoot is all of a sudden good when it comes to trade talks lol. nobody is gonna buy what you are saying

Unsure why you are taking such offense to people not liking this trade offer

 

[WidgitRibbit]

5v5 points per 60 since 2018-2019:

Kerfoot: 1.78
Rakell: 1.54

Instead of posting garbage like this, maybe do a bit of research. Rakell isn't much of an upgrade on kerfoot.

You clearly don’t watch the Ducks. Justifying a playoff team versus one of the worst teams in the league and then comparing stats of players is ridiculous. You can argue Kerfoot is garbage compared to Rakell due to having no one to play with like Kerfoot has in Toronto

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Just stop

Funny how Kerfoot is all of a sudden good when it comes to trade talks lol. nobody is gonna buy what you are saying

Unsure why you are taking such offense to people not liking this trade offer

You still haven't said how 5v5 points per 60 isn't a relevant stat? You're just acting like a child " Just Stop". Why not attack the argument?

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

You clearly don’t watch the Ducks. Justifying a playoff team versus one of the worst teams in the league and then comparing stats of players is ridiculous. You can argue Kerfoot is garbage compared to Rakell due to having no one to play with like Kerfoot has in Toronto

Has Rakell not been played like a first liner with either Getzlaf or Henrique?

 

[ItsFineImFine]

They should've gone hard after Manson rather than wasting assets and cap space on Foligno imo. I dunno how much of a difference another depth forward can make but Manson would've been an absolute upgrade to their mediocre bottom pair. I really dislikeTravis Dermott tbh so I'm biased and Bogosian obviously isn't good at puck mobility he can just defend.

 

[Unsustainable]

From the Canes, 1st, Fluery, Drury, maybe some other smaller add for Rakell and Manson

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

You still haven't said how 5v5 points per 60 isn't a relevant stat? You're just acting like a child " Just Stop". Why not attack the argument?

Sure pointing a stat like that is always good when trying to make a point. But I am also looking at other parts of their games too. Basically since you are taking huge offense to this, sounds like you prefer Kerfoot over Rakell?

Gotta love when posters find 1 specific stat to try to make it sound like that particular player is better.

This is the first time I have seen a fan fight to say apparently how good Kerfoot is.

I've been a massive fan of all moves Dubas has done and think he has put together a potential Cup winning team. But this trade proposal is awful for Anaheim

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Reinhart for Manson + 2nd

I think Reinhart is a soft turd of a player, so hell yes. Give me this trade.

 

[LuckyDucky]

You still haven't said how 5v5 points per 60 isn't a relevant stat? You're just acting like a child " Just Stop". Why not attack the argument?

I did. Without context it is an irrelevant stat.

 

[terranraida]

 

[WidgitRibbit]

Has Rakell not been played like a first liner with either Getzlaf or Henrique?

Neither Henrique or Getzlaf have done anything comparable to Toronto’s top 9 for years. Just because you’re on a losing teams top line doesn’t make it actually good. There’s a reason why Anaheim has been one of the worst scoring teams the last 4 to 5 years.

 

[MCB]

If kerfoot is so much better, why trade him?

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Not even Amirov is in that deal lol
That offer doesn't even get you Rakell.

The only leafs prospects they'd want is Robertson and Amirov, but Leafs fans act like those 2 prospects are locks to be Hall Of Famers with over 600 career goals.

 

[Llamamoto]

Would a 1st + Jones/Lavoie be enough for Rakell?

 

[Gliff]

Would a 1st + Jones/Lavoie be enough for Rakell?

No.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Would a 1st + Jones/Lavoie be enough for Rakell?

Prob closer than some Anaheim fans would like to admit