Raanta Forced to Leave Game, Canucks Win
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The key difference for me are their positions. I'm not disagreeing with either of you when it comes to players playing hurt, but there is a difference between playing and hurting the team while playing injured.
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You can probably pin a big chuck of that on Wideman and his retroactive concussion defense. Brought a lot of attention to teams internal concussion protocols or lack thereof.
But the Raanta said he was fine. Jim Ramsey, one of the best trainers in the League thought he was fine as well.
He was unwillingly pulled by a spotter.
This wasn't a coach pulling a goalie because of poor play or an injury in which he was forced to leave on his own.
On top of everything, he was injured by a player that had a penalty called. The illegal play led directly to this!!
I don't think you grasp my argument.
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I still think some players will feel that they can play through it, and that they'd make that sacrifice(not really knowing what that sacrifice is) because they want to be the one on the ice, and they want to be the one helping their team win.
The bottom line, for me, is that when it comes to concussions, I don't think we can trust the players to make the right decision. I think most of them still see concussions as any other sort of injury. Unless it's actually stopping them from playing, I think they'll try to push through it.
I have no idea if that was the case here. I won't pretend to know. I just think that if the spotters saw something that looked like symptoms there, they were obligated to take that decision out of his hands. Even if the player thought he was okay. Even if it hurts my team at some point in time, I feel that is something the league needs to take seriously.
Your argument is that it's not fair. But it's equally unfair for everyone. That shouldn't change just because your player was pulled for concussion protocol. Yes it sucks but it wasn't specifically unfair for your team. If your team got special treatment then every team is going to want warmup time for their backups.
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I don't disagree entirely, but it is that person or players job to look out for their own well-being. We are talking about grown men so why treat them like children?
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Well, for goalies they could at least allow a warmup for the backup.
Basically the league should allow a warmup for backups in the case of a spotter pulling a goalie (and starter is allowed to return), or if it is coach/trainer discretion on a potential injury the starter is not allowed to return if a warmup is taken.
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Yeah. If the spotter is yanking the goaltender, and it isn't the team's decision, I'd be okay with them giving a couple of minutes to the replacement goaltender.
When a coach is pulling a goaltender, I think he probably lets the back-up know that he needs to get ready. Just because it's more abrupt on our end doesn't mean there is no warning. When the league is making that decision, you wouldn't expect that. Just because the end result is changing the goaltender doesn't really mean it's an identical situation. I think the league should try to avoid putting a team in a tough spot.
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Of course it is. That is what is so frustrating about it though. Lawyers...some of them help but most them help themselves.
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Agreed that was stupid at the very least the cold goalie should have a couple minutes to warm up and take shots.
Sure, I was angry because it happened against the team I root for.
But my point was that it is a very difficult situation that needs to be addressed.
Once again, can you imagine this happening in the playoffs?
Any goalie thrown in to action cold because of a spotter forcing a goaltender out should be allowed a period of time to warm up.
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I just want to make a few points.
1. I have not seen the play in which Raanta was ran into but knowing Granlund, he has never even hit another skater willingly never mind a goalie. I have little doubt that it was accidental.
2. Protocol is protocol, you can't have exceptions for certain positions.
3. I think the NHL should do as MLB does with pitchers, in the case of injury the replacement gets extra time to warm up.
1. I have not seen the play in which Raanta was ran into but knowing Granlund, he has never even hit another skater willingly never mind a goalie. I have little doubt that it was accidental.
2. Protocol is protocol, you can't have exceptions for certain positions.
3. I think the NHL should do as MLB does with pitchers, in the case of injury the replacement gets extra time to warm up.
I wanna say no big deal the Rangers should of been in a situation to not lose if this happend... BUT if this happend to the Canucks id probably be annoyed so theres something there. Rangers kinda got screwed here and thats not right. League is screwing this up a lot recently
Hopefully the Canucks conspiracy theory fans can recognize this...
Hopefully the Canucks conspiracy theory fans can recognize this...
Perfectly fine with how this played out, as it's by the rule. It's an oversight that they didn't put in extra time for a backup goalie in this situation and should change that oversight immediately to prevent this from happening again.
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Let's say he is concussed in game.
Doesn't get checked
In that game gets ran over again
Brain scrambled
Don't need more Simon Depres in the league (happy he got paid)
Doesn't get checked
In that game gets ran over again
Brain scrambled
Don't need more Simon Depres in the league (happy he got paid)
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That's not really how it works dude. Your brain doesn't get scrambled from a concussion, it gets scrambled from severe head trauma. I know. It may seem like there is no difference but there is. There are guys who get knocked out cold and still get up with no real ill effects and then there are those who suffer from PCS everyday. All I'm saying is that it is not as black and white as you are saying.
Oh, and my future Doctor friend above. Know that. Each and every patient is different. Some have thicker craniums, some have more fluid in the blood brain barrier so not everyone is the same. And thank you for your future service.
