GDT: R2 G3: Avs @ Golden Knights 10 ET/8 MT *Who Will Be Tonight's Hero?*

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No I get that, but if not for Grubauer this series is 2-1 Vegas and we're all likely even more furious because of a potential game 4 loss in Vegas.

This team is lucky to be up 2-1, no doubt about it. If Grubauer's level of play declines even slightly, they're going to blow us out of the damn building in game 4 if they keep playing like this and/or the Avs keep playing shell shocked like they've never seen a good team before.
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This started creeping in late in the second. Gru looked fatigue and was starting to leave a ton of pucks around his crease and honestly who can blame him? The Knights were in the Avs zone all night long. You dont normally see Gru giving up those last two Knight goals but when your the only guy to show up the past two games you let those in.
 

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This started creeping in late in the second. Gru looked fatigue and was starting to leave a ton of pucks around his crease and honestly who can blame him? The Knights were in the Avs zone all night long. You dont normally see Gru giving up those last two Knight goals but when your the only guy to show up the past two games you let those in.

And on the flip side, Fleury hasn’t been that good. If he decides to play like he has the rest of the year..
 

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Sherwood got an assist and drew the penalty that lead to mikkos goal. He aint coming out. I dont think we see any changes to the forwards unless LOC is good to go. The question is whether Bednar wants to let Bo play.

Sherwood provided almost nothing outside of those two plays which were big.

Newhook provides literally nothing.

Newhook provides less than Compher he's not getting another minute until next season.
 
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After emotionally digesting last night's game a couple things stick out to me beyond everyone's points:

Play our game. The turtle approach never did and never will work for the Avs. We don't have the personnel to play that style and hope to "grind out" those tough playoff wins. We are built on speed and puck movement, all of which can't happen when Bednar's strategy is to just to sit back. If Vegas puts a 5 spot on us because of it, so be it. Stop catering to a lesser skilled team because they pressure us.

Vegas is relentless and will never quit on any play top to bottom. That can't be said of the Avs ever. Leadership, motivation, whatever it is, they need to find some. There is no excuse to be outworked that badly on every play.

For the love of anything, get Nemeth out. His only purpose is to be physical, clear out pucks, and kill pks. All of which are ahl level right now and we killed a pk just fine without him. Byram's ability and vision in breaking out would combat everything Vegas does perfectly, yet the turnover Machine Nemeth remains and leads to Vegas transitioning right back into our zone. Just having Byram would dynamically change 1/3 of the game.
 

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1) There is no mystery. Bednar's system has his defenders pinch down. Makar routinely skates the puck around the offensive net. This means there is almost always a stretch pass available for Vegas. It has been plain as day, all season, that the Avs are susceptible to a stretch pass right up the middle.

2) Bednar goes way out of his way to discourage hitting. On paper, it makes sense, because our speed should win when players lose discipline with their big checks. But that is on paper, and the game is played on ice. This is not just about the fatigue which absolutely happens when a player gets hit over and over again. This is also about passing accuracy. If Mac sees a crunch coming, he moves the puck before he wants to, or he unsuccessfully tries to skate through it. Conversely, the Avs rarely go for the hit, and Vegas knows they have that split second extra to make a decision.

The Avs don't need to practice. They don't need to skate. They need to go to the video room, and watch what Vegas is doing, and find a new strategy. Bednar's current strategy is going to lead to a second round exit.

The defenders aren't pinching down as much because there's zero opportunity to win a puck battle. There's no one getting into the zone fast enough to pressure a defender.

There's also no pressure on their puck carrier in the neutral zone.

Because they know that any Avs player is just going to skate by and wave their stick. Vegas can just have their players stand still.
 

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This started creeping in late in the second. Gru looked fatigue and was starting to leave a ton of pucks around his crease and honestly who can blame him? The Knights were in the Avs zone all night long. You dont normally see Gru giving up those last two Knight goals but when your the only guy to show up the past two games you let those in.

That is why i would have startet Dubnyk for game 3. AVS thought they will be lucky again. Maybe they would have played different with Dubnyk in goal. Gru would have been restet for game 4. The Knights did the same in game 1. Where is a better place to gamble then in Vegas?
 
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Vegas is relentless and will never quit on any play top to bottom. That can't be said of the Avs ever. Leadership, motivation, whatever it is, they need to find some. There is no excuse to be outworked that badly on every play.

"Leadership, motivation, whatever it is, they need to find some."

Should not be a primary discussion at this time of year. But 'tis. Avs just may not be ready to advance overall, again.
 

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I really think Vegas is the toughest team Avs will face in this playoffs. They're a defensive minded grinding team which Avs always have problems with. Even Tampa wouldn't bring this type of match up problem for the Avs because Tampa plays similar style as the Avs, more of a open offensive game
 

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I really think Vegas is the toughest team Avs will face in this playoffs. They're a defensive minded grinding team which Avs always have problems with. Even Tampa wouldn't bring this type of match up problem for the Avs because Tampa plays similar style as the Avs, more of a open offensive game
Tampa can play any type of game now and Vegas won’t be the toughest team for the Avs.
 

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Tampa can play any type of game now and Vegas won’t be the toughest team for the Avs.
Tampa doesn't really trap you and suffocate you all over the ice like Vegas. If Avs face Tampa, it's simply gonna be the battle of the star players, more open hockey and it'll come down to who's star players will outscore the other
 
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I think I would completely split up the first line. Would really like to roll this next game.

Nuke - Mackinnon- Burakovsky
Saad- Jost- Rantanen
Donskoi- Newhook- Landeskog
Compher- Bellmare- LOC

Toews - Makar
Graves - Girard
Byram - Nemeth
If you split up the top line you're essentially accomplishing what Vegas hopes to do, which is neuter our top line completely.

If the Avs want to win this series, those three have to put their big boy pants on and actually start playing hockey against the Pacioretty-Stephenson-Stone line which has made them into their own personal bit**es at 5v5. Yes, they've got two PPG's in the last two games but they are getting worked at 5v5, and that has to change.
 
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Tampa doesn't really trap you and suffocate you all over the ice like Vegas. If Avs face Tampa, it's simply gonna be the battle of the star players, more open hockey and it'll come down to who's star players will outscore the other
The first two games agains Carolina, Tampa pretty much only played trap hockey…
 

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Not sure Tampa is a worse opponent. Vegas is a heavy team that likes to play the body a lot and cycle deep. Hard to steal the puck from because they are so big.
 

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MAF is absolutely beatable. We're putting almost nothing on net and still barely lost. Grubauer had 1 guy kick the puck to his stick and jam it home, 1 guy bounced it off his back and a redirect. MAF let in slow Carl's muffin shot and Saad's whif in the last game. The Rants save was good, but lucky in a way. He's leaving the 5 hole open and watching those glove side shots. Dong screened on Rants' goal, but MAF wasn't standing on his head by any means.
So Soda got us 1 and cost us 1.

Bednar just has to play Bo, Newhook and LOC, doesn't he? Hell, I think Ranta is a better option than Carl.

We need more from our captain.
 

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