Player Discussion Quinn Hughes, Pt. VI

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    You do get minus shorthanded don’t you?
     
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    I am just using the NHL rules and statistics. They say a minus is when on the ice when a goal is scored against. A plus is added when scored for. This is a running total throughout the season.
    total points and plus minus, either add or subtract. If he was not on the ice for any goals for his +/- would be -29. That is 29 goals against The team goals against is 63.
    Again this is just how the NHL hands out +/-
     
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    Man I hate burning years on ELC's. I despise it like some other GM's who refuse to do it.

    Would love another year to see Hughes
    I have no idea how you negotiate a contract with such polarizing play on either side in a contract year.

    I can't see how you negotiate any sort of long term contract.
    would go bridge.
     
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    Not if you're shorthanded, but if they score a shorthanded goal then yes you get a minus
     
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    No. You do get a minus if you surrender a goal while on the powerplay, or a plus when you score a shorthanded goal, however.

    This is only for even strength. 9 of Hughes' points are on the powerplay, and therefor don't count towards his +/-. I was however, wrong when I said it was 21 goals against. The official count straight off of NHL.com is 27 against, 23 goals for, so a total differential of -4.
     
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    Might want to rework those numbers as the NHL shows him at -13. The NHL is the generator of these numbers and rules. They are the simplest in the rule book. You got 27 I got what 29?
    Go to NHL.com - Players stats - select defencemen under position - click Get Stats - click on +/- twice, the first time will give you the best in the NHL the second click the worst in the NHL. That is where you will find Hughes right there with Gudbranson.
     
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    I don't know how much clearer I can explain it. +/- is only for even strength. The entire game is not played at even strength. You cannot tell how many total goals a player was on for or against by their +/-. You are looking at the wrong stat.

    Quinn Hughes' 9 powerplay points do not count towards his +/-. If they did, he would be a -4.

    Instead of using NHL.com to look up his +/-, use NHL.com to look at his goals against.

    NHL Stats

    That is:
    26 on ice even strength goals against
    1 on ice short-handed goal against
    0 on ice powerplay goals against

    14 on ice even strength goals for
    9 on ice powerplay goals for
    0 on ice shorthanded goals for
     
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    Do empty net goals count for the total ES goals against?
     
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    Yes. You're basically just electing to use a skater instead of a goaltender.
     
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    Yes, in the NHL's breakdown and calculations. With Canucks' goalie pulled Hughes has been on the ice for one goal for, three EN goals against so his truer ES +/- is -10. (No goals for/against with opposition goalie pulled.)
     
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    The point is clear, his defensive play NEEDS a lotta work thats for sure theres no doubt about it like at all it needs to be fixed or changed and they had the guy last year in Tanev to help him develop but let him go which every day is looking like such a team CRIPPLING decision even if the guy was gonna miss some games DUE to injury but if it is going to EFFECT our prime so called future #1 dman that that was a terrible decision because there is NOONE right now MENTORING Hughes on how to improve his defensive game cause we can forget about the offensive part hes GOT that covered but the defensive coach and the more experienced dmen (Schmidt and Edler) dont seem to be really effecting him
     
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    I don’t think the mentoring is an issue only insofar as actually playing with someone very good being more beneficial than just watching. Tanev’s ability to cover for him is certainly missed. As is Markstrom’s. I think he’s going to be a no. 1 who might get Norris consideration in the future as he matures and improves his defensive game, but this is revealing that he is not quite as far along that path as most everyone suspected. To be fair tho, he’s only in his second season and any dman at that age would struggle on such a bad defensive team, even the mighty Makar. :sarcasm: Look at Dahlin for example.
     
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    It is tough to see Stecher and Tanev both in the top 5 amongst defense in even strength defense.
    :eek:
    Our right side is such a mess.
    With how weak the right side defense prospect pool is. Future doesnt look good in that area.
     
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    "Tough" is putting it mildly.

    With those two alone we have a much more solid D.
     
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    what's the link to the stats on stecher and tanev?
     
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    From a couple a days ago Peeny, not sure what looks like now:

     
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    Here is Calgary's above replacement numbers.
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    Here is Detroits above replacement numbers
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    Again small sample size, and the models arent as great this year because the NHL is isolated, so technically there is no NHL, just divisions.
    EVO = Even strength offense, EVD, even strength defense
     
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    Definitely notice Tanev DOES NOT thrive in Greens system
    You can see when he takes over
    His numbers dropped the most under Hughes, but they were going down seasons before Hughes even arrived on the scene.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Still roughly the same
    NHL Lines Advanced Stats

    Slavin - Hamilton to me is the best defense pairing in the NHL
    They Stabalized Klingberg with Lindell

    Got to find the guy for Hughes, and the coach.
    My pipe dream partner for Hughes that is somewhat realistic in being able to obtain is Brandon Carlo
     
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    Welcome. Your opinions are respected and valued here.
     
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    You have to admire Hughes honesty....when asked why the team was struggling so badly he out of the gate, he pointed out; "Well, we lost a lot of guys in the off-season'.

    It's a comment that won't likely endear him to Benning.....but kudos to this 21-year old kid for stating the obvious.
     
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    Hughes has a 5v5 goals against of 3.73 is the highest of any d who has played more than 450 mins in the past 50 games.

    181/181.

    180/181 in expected goals against as well

    according to the athletic
     
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    People will rightfully talk about Tanev, but Hughes was also a much better defender individually last year and the year before than he is this year.

    Instead of putting all the focus on finding him a good partner, I would at least spend half of it figuring out why he's regressed so heavily there. I have a good feeling it's his decline in skating speed.
     
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    He's gained unnecessary weight. Reminds me of what Boeser did after his rookie season. When are these guys gonna learn bigger isn't always better?
     
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    I stopped by here to discuss the defensive play of Bobby Orr and found out it was a QH discussion...
     

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