Question About What Defines Success

[Bandit]

Buffalo went to 4 super bowls and lost them all. Which is more fun? Those Bills teams or the Sabres now?

C. None of the above

Also cup >>>>>>> anything else. Nobody ever says “My career goal is to lose in the conference final”.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I'd say winning it all, but when it's an isolated event, like St Louis in 2019, there's a certain 'luck' stigma that goes with it.

As a Leafs fan, I'd be happy with either.

 

[Legionnaire]

Since Rod Langway arrived in 1982 the Capitals have the 2nd best record in the league. Its a shame that they have had so much trouble in the playoffs. A little more success would have been nice. The team before Rod Langway was in danger of moving and was the worst team in the history of the league. Ok...the NJ Devils were worse in that period but they moved twice.

I much prefer the winning team to the losing team

The real question is: How much of the losing and frustration were worth that first Cup?

 

[txpd]

The real question is: How much of the losing and frustration were worth that first Cup?

I think the list of choking for the Capitals was not fully paid off by one cup. A second or even just a 3rd round would be enough. The entire Ovechkin era is something most sports markets dont get to enjoy. One more serious run at it would be helpful.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Carolina is a better hypothetical. 05-17, made the playoffs twice, 10 misses, 1 SC Champ

Sharks 05-17: made the playoffs 11 out of 12, closest was a SCF loss

You have to remember: sandwiched between the Kings 2 Cup wins was a WCF loss to the dynasty Hawks, in what was widely considered the "real" SCF that year. So it's a 3 year run as one of the best teams in hockey, with a team you have to go back to the pre cap era for an equal their true competition

 

[Legionnaire]

I think the list of choking for the Capitals was not fully paid off by one cup. A second or even just a 3rd round would be enough. The entire Ovechkin era is something most sports markets dont get to enjoy. One more serious run at it would be helpful.

That's why '14 was such a blessing. It put "fluke" talk to rest.

I'm not a Caps fan per se, but I more times than not root for you guys because we're like cousins. I hope you (we) get to see Ovy hoist his 2nd.

 

[JAK]

Had the Sharks made it to more finals, I think it would have been looked at differently.

 

[Butch 19]

Buffalo went to 4 super bowls and lost them all. Which is more fun? Those Bills teams or the Sabres now?

well, it's also HOW they lost the first one...

 

[txpd]

well, it's also HOW they lost the first one...

I dont know. Insulting the Hogs before the game with the Redskins was pretty epic

 

[Maitz]

Everything you do in season doesnt matter. PO count thats it thats all. Season doesnt matter, you play to win the cup

 

[Peat]

As a non-North American, I've always found it a bit crazy how little regular season success is counted in North American sports, when sustaining success over a whole season seems just as hard and less luck dependent than winning the playoffs.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

As a non-North American, I've always found it a bit crazy how little regular season success is counted in North American sports, when sustaining success over a whole season seems just as hard and less luck dependent than winning the playoffs.

I think it's quite simple actually.
When you make the regular season winner the champion, then that will be what everyone plays for.
When the champion is determined some other way, like after a regular season and a playoff, then that would be what everyone would play for. The championship after the regular season and the playoff.

 

[Peat]

I think it's quite simple actually.
When you make the regular season winner the champion, then that will be what everyone plays for.
When the champion is determined some other way, like after a regular season and a playoff, then that would be what everyone would play for. The championship after the regular season and the playoff.

Makes sense, just still weird to me. I guess I'm used to lots of competitions with all of them mattering, maybe some more than others but none of them not mattering.

 

[Butch 19]

well, it's also HOW they lost the first one...

I have no what you're talking about. or did you just forget the

 

[Pyrophorus]

C. None of the above

Also cup >>>>>>> anything else. Nobody ever says “My career goal is to lose in the conference final”.

I'm finding TONS of people who are saying losing in later rounds is better

 

[Pyrophorus]

Everything you do in season doesnt matter. PO count thats it thats all. Season doesnt matter, you play to win the cup

You also have to make it.
So I say it does count.

 

[Maitz]

You also have to make it.
So I say it does count.

yes of course but my point is it does matter if you do 115 pts in season or 90 pts and you make it as a wild card. The perfect example is San Jose vs LAK, SJ was a dominant team in season but never won the cup while the LAK made it as the last place in the West and manage to win 2 cups. STL also

 

[majormajor]

Carolina is a better hypothetical. 05-17, made the playoffs twice, 10 misses, 1 SC Champ

Sharks 05-17: made the playoffs 11 out of 12, closest was a SCF loss

You have to remember: sandwiched between the Kings 2 Cup wins was a WCF loss to the dynasty Hawks, in what was widely considered the "real" SCF that year. So it's a 3 year run as one of the best teams in hockey, with a team you have to go back to the pre cap era for an equal their true competition

I'd definitely prefer the Sharks fan experience through that time period. A Cup isn't worth ten years in the gutter. There is a bit of glory in every win.

 

[cowboy82nd]

Buffalo went to 4 super bowls and lost them all. Which is more fun? Those Bills teams or the Sabres now?

More fun? Bills ... More heartache? Bills But I would take the Bills being competitive and having a chance to win everything and a team without any hope at all. Sorry Sabre fans.

 

[Rec T]

Every single year there are 15 teams who were good/successful enough to get into the playoffs. Many of them though aren't good/strong enough to make a deep run. So just 'making the playoffs' shouldn't be a mark of success (and for a team who just barely made it in & was destroyed in the first round, it can actually be a negative. Good enough to make the playoffs...but now they're way down in the draft & aren't developing top talent for their future). The four teams that were good/strong/deep/lucky enough to make it to the conference finals ... they had a successful year.

Winning The Cup is obviously a mark of success (& I'm glad I saw my team skate it lo those many years ago, it makes the recent years more bearable), but without fairly deep playoff runs in the years before & after that win, no they weren't a successful team. They just managed to catch lightning in a bottle at the right time.

So to answer the original question, the Sharks were not as successful as the Kings in the past 15+ years (& Ducks fans just have the happy memory of being the first CA team to earn The Cup...)

 

[Bandit]

I'm finding TONS of people who are saying losing in later rounds is better

Tons of people like blood sausage. People are morons.

 

[blue425]

Tough to win it all, no shame in deep runs. At the end of the day it's entertainment and deep runs are just that.

 

[the_fan]

 

[wetcoast]

Titles always. Period. End of discussion.

the Braves at least won that one WS.

1>0

You should take 9 losing seasons and 1 Titles every day of the week. Titles are very rare

Sad but true.

 

[Gjman2019]

Sad but true.

Who's your team bud ?

Vancouver ?